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Philippine ban workaround or bad idea?

Discussion in 'Philippine Paradise Divers' started by GirlonFire, Mar 3, 2020.

  1. BoundForElsewhere

    BoundForElsewhere Divemaster ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: NYC
    always bring enough cash to cover the, "honey, i just stabbed a dude in a bar. we have to leave NOW!" scenario. I've never had to use it but its nice to know its rolled up inside one of my adult diapers, just in case.
  2. GirlonFire

    GirlonFire Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: California
    So he could use his US passport to leave and enter the US and use his Philippine passport to enter and leave the Philippines?
    Are there ramifications doing this, legal or otherwise?
  3. Skulmoski

    Skulmoski Contributor

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Gold Coast, QLD
    LOL. An American passport overseas is kept in one's wallet, and on display is instead, a Canadian flag sewn onto one's backpack. It has been many years that Americans travelled and proudly displayed their nationality.
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  4. BoundForElsewhere

    BoundForElsewhere Divemaster ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: NYC
  5. lowwall

    lowwall Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Chicago
    Yes, you can and there are no legal ramifications. In fact many countries like the US require that you use your national passport when you enter and leave. Again, here's the Department of State on this (from the US Japanese embassy site, but there is identical wording on other embassy sites) Dual Nationality | U.S. Embassy & Consulates in Japan

    Which Passport to Use
    Section 215 of the Immigration and Naturalization Act ( 8 U.S.C. 1185) requires U.S. Citizens to use U.S. passports when entering or leaving the United States unless one of the exceptions listed in Section 53.2 of Title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations applies. Dual nationals may be required by the other country of which they are citizens to enter and leave that country using its passport, but do not endanger their U.S. citizenship by complying with such a requirement.

    Note that this slightly mischaracterizes 8 USC 1185, which actually says "...it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport." The word bears is important because you don't actually have to use it, just have and show it if requested. Expect a massive (and IMO well-deserved) hassle if you as a US citizen insist on entering on a foreign passport, but it does matter for dual passport holders who are leaving for another country where they will be using their non-US passport for entry. In such cases, you will normally want to enter your non-US passport info when booking your airline ticket and show that passport to the airline personnel. But I'd still use the US passport when going through TSA or any US government inspections.

    Here's a couple of non-official sources that verify this:

    How to Do Two-Passport Travel

    But when airline gate agents ask to see your passport, remember the reason they are doing so is to verify that you are actually allowed to go to the country that you bought your ticket to travel to; mistakes can cost airlines hefty fines. When you’re booking a ticket the passport information you enter should correspond to the passport with which you plan to enter your destination country. Airlines share their passenger manifests with the immigration authorities of the destination country, which is another good reason that the passport you show on arrival should match up with the one you showed at the gate.

    Dual Citizens: Your Passport Questions Answered

    Which passport should I use to book my flight?
    If you need to provide passport details to book an international flight, you should use the same passport that you will use to enter your destination country. It’s OK for you to check in for your return flight using your non-US passport, and then pull out your US passport to clear US immigration and customs.
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  6. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: U.S. East Coast
    Yeah, definitely LOL. When i lived in Europe in the late 60s/early 70s (the Nixon and Vietnam years), I had a Canadian flag on my backpack....
  7. pasley

    pasley Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Lakewood, CA
    Great article. As you pointed out, each country has its own laws. While the USA may say you are a US Citizen and not a citizen of another country, the other country may have their own view of that. Example: US Citizen gives birth in another country. Born of US Citizens the child is US Citizen, but the country of birth who issues the birth certificate (US Consular Report of Birth Abroad is not the birth certificate) will (as the USA does) say a child born in this country is a citizen of this country.

    My first born child has a birth certificate in German, English, French and Russian. Born in West Berlin just a short 110 miles east of the East/West German Border in the years when the Berlin Wall (a circle around West Berlin not a line) was still up. I was stationed there as part of the Occupation Army. At that time my child would have been considered a German Citizen.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that laws change. Current German Law does not so easily grant German Citizenship to the children of non-Citizens born in Germany now.
  8. Marie13

    Marie13 Great Lakes Mermaid ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Great Lakes
    OP, what has your friend so desperate to travel he’s looking for ways to get around the ban? Is he willing to take the chance he might end up quarantined or unable to get home?
  9. kelemvor

    kelemvor Big Fleshy Monster ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Largo, FL USA
    It doesn't always work that way. I was born in the Philippines on Clark air force base (now gone) as my folks were stationed there. I was given a regular birth certificate. I've never asked an official about it, but my father told me it was because the AFB is considered American soil.
  10. Barmaglot

    Barmaglot Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Israel
    I'm not 100% sure, but I believe I saw signs at Manila airport (flew in yesterday) stating that while Philippine nationals are allowed entry from banned countries, they're also required to undergo a 14-day quarantine upon arrival. Factor that into your travel plans.

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