PADI TecRec

[cnidae]

In TDI (a technical diving agency,) the 2 dives are not required at all. How do all the TDI instructors reading this thread teach basic nitrox divers how to rescue a diver with an O2 toxicity hit??QUOTE]

After taking a few classes with GUE I changed my way of teaching and now teach rescuing a toxing diver in the basic Nitrox class. I also require two dives to simulate a rescue and add other skills the students may need. I've since let my TDI instructor’s license:smash: expire and don't plan on making it active ever again. I'm now teaching Nitrox through NAUI.

I've been following this post since it started and have found it very ammusing. I really find it pointless to even argue PADI having anything benifical in there tech classes, but hey, they may have one or two things good but no one has pointed anything good out in this thread. I recently talked to someone that took the Tec Deep Diver course and lets just say he didn't learn very much and what was learned had to be forgotten.

 

[Genesis]

Just an aside - the instructor in my PADI rescue class covered this. As for replacing the reg - the way he put it was something like, "PADI says I have to tell you don't take the time to replace the reg, but here's what I'm going teach you..." BTW, this instructor was very anti-DIR at the time.

And folks wonder why I have an issue with the way dive training is done and sanctioned by the "high priests" of the agencies and their acolytes?!

 

[Mako Mark]

like I said before:

what it really boils down to is that the instructor not the agency that the tec student should be looking for, I think we all agree on that. That is how I take my training, and what I reccommend to anyone thinking of a tec course. The only people who would disagree are people with a commercial interest in a specific agency.

DSAT is new and that is why I didnt teach it for two years after it came out, we should constructively criticize and evaluate anything new, but we should not see it as an immediate threat.

cnidea touched a good point, I have unfortunately also heard about bad DSAT courses being taught, but then again it boils down to the instructor. I have heard about bad course being taught by just about all agencies.

There are not enough of the serious old timers and ledgends of diving teaching the DSAT courses yet, because it is new and they are already entrenched in other agencies and dogmas. I remember when TDI came out and there was a similar storm about that, but they have become generally accepted as a serious group of individuals.

Time will tell.

Im going to dive a new cave tomorrow, then Im taking the high priest course, does anyone know a high priest instructor??

 

[roakey]

Technical diving isn't for everyone but if this type of diving appeals to you and you're willing to accept the risks, responsibilities and obligations, you'll find it one of the most rewarding dive experiences you'll ever have.

Yhea, when I read that on their web site I was immediately reminded of a presentation by Carl Rosseler I attended years ago...

It was about a shark cage trip he was running, and the presentation was really slanted to the male component of the audience and its gist was "Unless you're a panty-waisted girly-girl, you should give me a bunch of money to go on my shark diving trip!"

Carl's presentation, as well as PADI's statement is a red flag waving in front of testosterone-soaked young males:

"I'm responsible, and if you don't think so, step out back and I'll whoop your mule!"

Roak

 

[Mako Mark]

"hold my beer while I kiss your girlfriend!" I never really saw Karl in that light, I always think of him as the guy in the shiny blue wetsuit.

do we have any testosterone soaked males in the room that would like to comment on that.

 

[roakey]

"hold my beer while I kiss your girlfriend!" I never really saw Karl in that light, I always think of him as the guy in the shiny blue wetsuit.

So what's you claim here? That Karl wrote that? If course not, it was the marketing department whose goal is simple: Sell! Sell! Sell!

Roak

 

[Mako Mark]

I think it sounds more like the legal dept wrote that, and their goal is:

Dont get sued! Dont get sued! Dont get sued!

As I said in an earlier post, I have heard PADI/DSAT state that they do not expect to turn a profit on tec rec programs, so you comment is unnecessary and their motivation has to be something else.

Dont shoot the messenger here, we were all getting along so well today and sure as hell I didnt write it. lol

 

[roakey]

As I said in an earlier post, I have heard PADI/DSAT state that they do not expect to turn a profit on tec rec programs...

Then why, pray tell, did they bother to get into the field? There was no shaortage of technical agencys to keep up with the current "limited" demand of technical diving...

Roak

 

[Mako Mark]

Actually the quote sounds almost word for word what Lamar Hires said on his video:

"a particularly easy way to die",

and I find it hard to imagine that he would let himself be influenced by the PADI marketing department or do anything that could be considered red flag waving.

As to PADI/DSAT´s motivations, I really think their motivation was partially or initially because Brett Gilliam started SDI when they had an old agreement stay away from Recreational and PADI will stay out of technical.,

however I would be speculating, and c'mon, these guys are not stupid, Drew Richardson himself is a cave diver, I know, I dived with him in Dos Ojos and ironically he told me to be careful if I dived deep air.

Perhaps they thought that though there was no shortage of tec agencies, there was a shortage of tec agencies with a dedicated quality assurance and legal department.

Anyone can control an agency that has only 32 instructors, but as you just stated there are more than that now and that requires a standardized proven system of diver education.

you can write and ask him at drewr@padi.com it is a good question and I am sure he would answer it. When he does, share it with us.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Actually the quote sounds almost word for word what Lamar Hires said on his video:

"a particularly easy way to die",

and I find it hard to imagine that he would let himself be influenced by the PADI marketing department or do anything that could be considered red flag waving.

Not to be picky but the video is "A Deceptively Easy Way to Die" And as a point of interest it was produced by DSAT.

As to PADI/DSAT´s motivations, I really think their motivation was partially or initially because Brett Gilliam started SDI when they had an old agreement stay away from Recreational and PADI will stay out of technical.,

I find it hard to beleive that PADI would view lilltle tiny SDI as any kind of a threat. I also find it hard to believe that they'd gor through the trouble and expense to develop a technical program just to spite TDI/SDI.

Perhaps they thought that though there was no shortage of tec agencies, there was a shortage of tec agencies with a dedicated quality assurance and legal department.

Anyone can control an agency that has only 32 instructors, but as you just stated there are more than that now and that requires a standardized proven system of diver education.

I'd rather not hear about PADI quality control until one of them takes a look at and explains some of the slop we see (until the vis totally goes that is) at the local training sites around here.

you can write and ask him at drewr@padi.com it is a good question and I am sure he would answer it. When he does, share it with us.

Throught the development of the DSAT tech program they have stated that they were putting more effort into the kids programs because they thought the market there was better. I did hear it said that because of that they didn't expect to make a profit in the tech arena right away. I never heard it suggested that they weren't aiming to make a profit.

I sure couldn't ever be maid to beleive that they some how thought they were going to save tech diving from the out of control tech agencies.

Plain and simple they saw a growing market and decided that it was time to get their foot in the door.

business is business I guess but standard business practices make a mess out of diving... literally.