Outgrown current computer, entering DM training - limited budget - Options?

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50mins surface interval is insane!! What is the rush?
A cheap and aggressive computer is Oceanic Veo 180(old model). I have been using one for about an 1yr to back up an even older Uwatec Aladin Pro Nitrox(19yrs).

BTW, I can't wait for the maiden public appearance of Deep 6 computer! Do take your time to test it properly though. Someone had mentioned on SB that Bulmann ZHL-16C is also being incorporated in the computer as well. So it has two alogarithms to choose from, probably the reason for the delay in launching publicly.
 
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50mins surface interval is insane!! What is the rush?

Thanks. It takes a 2 hour boat ride to get to Komodo National Park and 2 hours to get back - They want to be back before sundown for practical/safety reasons - And the planning is for 3 dives a day, with lunch (slightly longer SI, before the 3rd dive) on the boat.

Dive time is also limited to 50 minutes, non negociable, and the dive sites are not very deep (all less than 30 m).

It's the norm for all the dive shops in the area. You leave at 7 am and are back around 5 pm.

For a more relaxed experienced, people can also go on "dive safaris", ie 3 to 4 day mini-liveaboards - Or, in a totally different budget range, real 1 week + liveaboards.
 
@oppo

Like you, I'm looking at DMT but my training is with BSAC which like CMAS has different depth limits fro rec diving than do the commercial organisations.

Most computers from the Low end into the Mid point, won't like dives beyond 40m as they're aimed at the rec market which considers anything past 40m technical diving.

When you are "working" or guiding as a DM, there is a lot to be said for having the same computer as the guests. As often they won't be looking at their NDL (especially if on a rented computer) and following the guide. It's no help if you have NDL time left but they are in deco.

On my comp I can adjust the conservatism so it's pretty much in line with the guests, however if I'm engaged in 40m + dives it holds it's own there too. In my case it's and Eon Steel but that's not in your range.

I would suggest you look at the OSTC sport. It's close to the price of a D4i and should give you the best of both worlds. It uses Bühlmann ZH-L16 & Bühlmann ZH-L16+GF so you can adjust the conservitism to match your requirements on the day.

You won't get many recommendations for OTSC on this site as Heinrichs Weikamp refuse to sell their products in the USA. But they are very well respected products.
 
Thanks. It takes a 2 hour boat ride to get to Komodo National Park and 2 hours to get back - They want to be back before sundown for practical/safety reasons - And the planning is for 3 dives a day, with lunch (slightly longer SI, before the 3rd dive) on the boat.

Dive time is also limited to 50 minutes, non negociable, and the dive sites are not very deep (all less than 30 m).

It's the norm for all the dive shops in the area. You leave at 7 am and are back around 5 pm.
Had done the liveaboard to Komodo before. And was thinking to give Scuba Junkies or something similar a try ie. non-liveaboard, your explanation has put an end to it.
50 mins dive time is absolutely fine with me but not 50 mins surface interval.
 
Had done the liveaboard to Komodo before. And was thinking to give Scuba Junkies or something similar a try ie. non-liveaboard, your explanation has put an end to it.
50 mins dive time is absolutely fine with me but not 50 mins surface interval.

The safaris are a much nicer budget option in my option, pretty much the same price as well, and you're out of Labuan Bajo, which is appreciable...
That said, Scuba Junkies are not in based in Labuan Bajo and are a bit closer to the national park, so they might have a little bit more time in/out the water on day trips.
 
@oppo

Like you, I'm looking at DMT but my training is with BSAC which like CMAS has different depth limits fro rec diving than do the commercial organisations.

Most computers from the Low end into the Mid point, won't like dives beyond 40m as they're aimed at the rec market which considers anything past 40m technical diving.

When you are "working" or guiding as a DM, there is a lot to be said for having the same computer as the guests. As often they won't be looking at their NDL (especially if on a rented computer) and following the guide. It's no help if you have NDL time left but they are in deco.

On my comp I can adjust the conservatism so it's pretty much in line with the guests, however if I'm engaged in 40m + dives it holds it's own there too. In my case it's and Eon Steel but that's not in your range.

I would suggest you look at the OSTC sport. It's close to the price of a D4i and should give you the best of both worlds. It uses Bühlmann ZH-L16 & Bühlmann ZH-L16+GF so you can adjust the conservitism to match your requirements on the day.

You won't get many recommendations for OTSC on this site as Heinrichs Weikamp refuse to sell their products in the USA. But they are very well respected products.

I see what you mean, but given the dive profiles most guests with non-Cressi computers usually get a few minutes to deco at some point on the last dive, but nothing unmaneageable in a 50 minute dive. Other DM's will have Suunto's so we'll just follow the most conservative computers, and if I do start guiding independently I can always switch to the more conservative algorithm on the Oceanic.
And I can always use the Cressi if I want a super conservative RGBM one day. :wink:

We had basically the very same problem: our Cressi computer was more conservative than the guide's, and at the time we hadn't figured out the fixed step like increments in the algorithm where you get 14 minutes at one depth and less than 6 minutes just 2 meters below....

What happened is that my wife and I ended up doing most of a last dive in Castle Rock (a great site) at 9 then 6 meters while everyone was still at 18m... Not fun - On the second trip we managed to avoid that because we knew the Cressi DC profile better and anticipated, but you have to be really careful, and really start leveling out early, especially at under 10 minutes to deco. I can't be focusing on this as much as when I'm fun diving of course, hence the need for change...

Regarding the French system and deco diving, yes it's very close to BSAC but goes a little deeper from what I figured - I think it's the "deepest" system in recreational diving worldwide, another French exception...
It's a little complicated because they split between autonomous (ie a buddy type unguided dive, up to three divers, not necessarily with a DM in the water but with a dive manager on the boat...) and "guided" (more a dive leader than in Padi DM type guiding, where the whole group has the same profile)

Level 1 / CMAS 1* is 12 m max depth autonomous and 20m guided (PE20)
Level 2 / CMAS ** is down to 20 m autonomous (PA20) and down to 40m or 60 m guided (PE40/PE60), according to training/certification
Level 3 / CMAS *** is down to 40m autonomous (PA40), 60m guided (PE60), or, according to training and certification even down to 60 m autonomous (PA60)
Level 4 , also CMAS *** is a "guide" certification, quite different to a divemaster though, same depth qualifications as level 3.
60 meters being the maximum depth on single-tank air dives, which still means (short) deco diving.
I won't be doing that many though, mostly for training or Mediterranean wrecks, it's not my priority at the moment (nor my cup of tea).

Thanks for the tip though I'll look into the comp, but I think that given the recreational deep profiles (it's still on air, so bottom time is really short after 50 m), the Oceanic algorithm should cut it. The Cressi probably wouldn't like that much though :wink:

ben
 
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Hum, about to give in to the Geo 2.0 (a watch sized will be easier to manage on the boat, instead of attaching it my BC as I currently do when it's rinsed), but I also came accross an Oceanic OCS, never owned demonstration model for 50 euros more (import duties, same price otherwise).

Doesn't seem to be very different - Electronic compass, which is not a function I'll be using anyway.

bells and whistles?
 
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Hum, about to give in to the Geo 2.0 (a watch sized will be easier to manage on the boat, instead of attaching it my BC as I currently do when it's rinsed), but I also came accross an Oceanic OCS, never owned demonstration model for 50 euros more (import duties, same price otherwise).

Doesn't seem to be very different - Electronic compass, which is not a function I'll be using anyway.

bells and whistles?

The OCS was discontinued by Oceanic some time ago and is generally not available in the US except on Amazon, etc. I'm not a big fan of the newer OCi/OCL as they have screw on backs and recommended factory battery change. The Geo2 has a simple battery cover that is very easy to use
 
Very useful, thanks - I was scouring the user manual and couldn't really find anything very different. Ok, settled then!
 
Ok everyone, took the plunge - Geo 2.0 it is then. Should be able to test it out on Saturday.

Thanks for all the input, I feel pretty convinced I've made the right choice

Cheers!

Ben
 

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