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Who's anti-Bonaire? I love the place, I'm counting down the days till May when I'll be there for 9 days and nights of fun in the sun.

Please don't classify me as anit-Bonaire just because I'm against all the smoke up the rear blowing going on.

In fact here is a great vacation photo from 1000 steps, of our rental car...

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Oh shoot, wrong photo... hang on while I find the other one...

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I kid... I kid!!!
So there is no misunderstanding and everyone knows for sure...

This is not a picture of your rental car?
This is not a picture of a stripped out car from 1000 steps?
This is not a picture of a stripped out car from Bonaire?
This is meant as humor from you?
You don't think this type of post is "smoke up the rear blowing"?

Oh, and this is a car from Tempe, Arizona USA
 
So Pilot Fish, may I take it by your failure to address any of the questions posed to you that your intention is simply to troll this thread rather than to participate in an actual discussion?

Or do you wish to offer some constructive responses?
 
No you are correct, there is not real accurate list of crimes, i.e., break ins on rental condos, hotel rooms, car thefts, muggings, etc because Bonaire does not divulge them. The same Boosters claim the island is the safest in the Caribe :rofl3:but have no accurate data to back that up. They keep avoiding the questions, give no verifiable answers, but want everyone else do that. yeah, right!:shakehead:

Mossman:

Again, I don't have a dog in this fight, but....

Am I reading your link correctly in that it states that there was ONE reported case of theft in Bonaire in 2006 and SIXTEEN for the combined years 2003-2006? (Maybe should have read 2005, but that is what the chart says.)

And... that there were no reported cases of theft from car during those years?

I don't know anything about crime on Bonaire, but I can tell you those two statistics are not even remotely believable. Not even remotely believeable.

I apologize if I can't read the chart correctly. Fortunately I don't do much research into crime.

Please resume bickering.
 
So Pilot Fish, may I take it by your failure to address any of the questions posed to you that your intention is simply to troll this thread rather than to participate in an actual discussion?

Or do you wish to offer some constructive responses?


YES and NO in that order.
 
No you are correct, there is not real accurate list of crimes, i.e., break ins on rental condos, hotel rooms, car thefts, muggings, etc because Bonaire does not divulge them. The same Boosters claim the island is the safest in the Caribe :rofl3:but have no accurate data to back that up. They keep avoiding the questions, give no verifiable answers, but want everyone else do that. yeah, right!:shakehead:

We know that by reading other forums and this one.

You said that you know there is crime because you've read it on other forums. I've already asked once how many crimes you've read about, yet you keep avoiding the question and giving no verifiable answer. Why is it that you can't relay information that you claim to know about?
 
After Reading all 16 pages, I have some questions having never been to the island before.

What percentage of divers are burglarized:

1.) At the Hotel/Condo?
2.) At the dive site?

Where do you keep your passports if as people make it sound the hotel safes are not safe?

Per capita the petty crime may be higher then say small town USA. But how does crime compare to other 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Hope this does not fan the flames.
 
After Reading all 16 pages, I have some questions having never been to the island before.

What percentage of divers are burglarized:

1.) At the Hotel/Condo?
2.) At the dive site?
Good question. Some of us have been trying to get the answers to these questions for a while now.
Where do you keep your passports if as people make it sound the hotel safes are not safe?
Take a look at this thread for some suggestions:
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ge...protecting-yourself-crime-when-traveling.html
Per capita the petty crime may be higher then say small town USA. But how does crime compare to other 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Hope this does not fan the flames.
Good question. Some of us have been trying to get the answers to these questions for a while now. :wink:

(I think there's an echo in here)
 
After Reading all 16 pages, I have some questions having never been to the island before.

What percentage of divers are burglarized:

1.) At the Hotel/Condo?
2.) At the dive site?

Where do you keep your passports if as people make it sound the hotel safes are not safe?

Per capita the petty crime may be higher then say small town USA. But how does crime compare to other 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Hope this does not fan the flames.

All joking aside, you're questions are reasonable and valid for anybody traveling to Bonaire or any vacation destination.

As I posted in another thread, based on a whole lot of time searching the internet, what my unscientific finds are that the drug trade from South America is the biggest factor influencing crime on the ABCs with different variations and intensities of drug related crimes.

The international airport on Curacao appears to be a direct pipeline to the Netherlands for the drug trade, due to the close proximity of the ABCs to Venezuala and the mainland of South America.

Anyways it started my digging and I turned up some interesting information. I found and constructed sort of a lose timeline of the crime reports on Bonaire.

From what I found there are indications that prior to 1998 things were a bit different. Around 1999 the first reports of crack cocaine start appearing with regularity on Bonaire, along with crack came the beginnings of petty theft. Around 1998 you start to see reports of larger dive gear thefts being reported from shore divers, indicating that prior to that time many divers routinely left valuable dive gear in their rental vehicles. Indicating a much different dive experience then is common today. Appearing that prior to 1999 many divers felt safe leaving dive gear in rental vehicles. Of course today we are at the point that no diver would even think of leaving expensive BCD or computers in a locked or unlocked rental car.

Around 1999 you start getting more and more warnings about break ins at dive sites. You also start getting the first reports from people indicating that the police are ambivalent to the situation and indicate that you are insured, so there is no crime. Around 2001 and growing through 2003 there are more and more reports about condo and rental house break ins becoming a problem. Around 2004 you start getting more articles about the drug trade to the Netherlands as being from Latin America through the ABCs to the Netherlands. There is a german article about the drug cartels in 2004 using the airport on Curacao as their main artery after bringing the drugs over on speed boats from the main land and discusses the increase in crime over the last few years and the climbing murder rate on Curacao.

Anyways a lot of it is disseminated through out a lot of different places throughout many links to documents found on the internet.

This was an interesting read - Bonaire E-News July 1998

Percentages and comparisons about the crime on Bonaire are difficult to say since like many tourist destinations there is a lot of pressure to sugar coat or under report anything negative that might effect the tourism market.

Based on the information available, the first hand reports and any other bits of information that can be assembled, it appears that chances of crime based on your personal items in your accomodations go up dramatically for condos and private residences not part of resorts or diving complexes. The vast majority of the reports over the last year seem to be from people staying at rental units and condos, where there is less security and less people around such as hotel staff and such.

Many reports of break ins while people are sleeping in their rooms, reports of people seeming to wake up to discover somebody in their room and then wake up again in the morning to find their room ransacked, seemingly pointed to some sort of chloroform like drub being used on them.

Some reports of safes being broken into etc...

There has been some attributes of the recent up swing in the crime there to a gang that got out of prison and went back to what got them sent away in the first place. Reports were that they were caught and were going away again. But the tendency for little reporting of these things hasn't seen many updates or verifications of this.

Does it mean you'll be a victim on Bonaire? No it doesn't. It means your chances will go down if you stay in bigger hotel/dive operations, your chances will go down if you take some of the unfortunate safe guards you might need to take because of the crime issues and reduce your risk.

Most of this has been documented here and on bonairetalk.com.

I think you'll find the information a lot different on that forum, there tends to be much more realistic treatment and discussion of the crime reports on that board then on this one.
 
Very good post Mike. Thanks for it. Whether I fully agree with the statements or not aside, this is a well thought out and helpful post.

All joking aside, you're questions are reasonable and valid for anybody traveling to Bonaire or any vacation destination.

As I posted in another thread, based on a whole lot of time searching the internet, what my unscientific finds are that the drug trade from South America is the biggest factor influencing crime on the ABCs with different variations and intensities of drug related crimes.

The international airport on Curacao appears to be a direct pipeline to the Netherlands for the drug trade, due to the close proximity of the ABCs to Venezuala and the mainland of South America.



Percentages and comparisons about the crime on Bonaire are difficult to say since like many tourist destinations there is a lot of pressure to sugar coat or under report anything negative that might effect the tourism market.

Based on the information available, the first hand reports and any other bits of information that can be assembled, it appears that chances of crime based on your personal items in your accomodations go up dramatically for condos and private residences not part of resorts or diving complexes. The vast majority of the reports over the last year seem to be from people staying at rental units and condos, where there is less security and less people around such as hotel staff and such.

Many reports of break ins while people are sleeping in their rooms, reports of people seeming to wake up to discover somebody in their room and then wake up again in the morning to find their room ransacked, seemingly pointed to some sort of chloroform like drub being used on them.

Some reports of safes being broken into etc...

There has been some attributes of the recent up swing in the crime there to a gang that got out of prison and went back to what got them sent away in the first place. Reports were that they were caught and were going away again. But the tendency for little reporting of these things hasn't seen many updates or verifications of this.

Does it mean you'll be a victim on Bonaire? No it doesn't. It means your chances will go down if you stay in bigger hotel/dive operations, your chances will go down if you take some of the unfortunate safe guards you might need to take because of the crime issues and reduce your risk.

Most of this has been documented here and on bonairetalk.com.

I think you'll find the information a lot different on that forum, there tends to be much more realistic treatment and discussion of the crime reports on that board then on this one.

Up until only recently any negative post about crime on Bonaire got immediately deleted on Bonaire Talk. How that is classified "more realistic" is beyond me. However, I guarantee if you got rid of a couple individuals from these Bonaire threads, the information would pass freely and much more accurately. A couple fanatics simply muddy up the threads with total BS and stop all flow of useful information. Most people on SB are NOT trying to paint a rose on every street corner of Bonaire.....just to shut certain individuals up so that a normal conversation can happen.

I think you'll find the information a lot different on that forum, there tends to be much more realistic treatment and discussion of the crime reports on that board then on this one.
 
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