'Non' DIR or DIR diver?

[Nemrod]

Other-- because I Solo dive, Vintage dive, Kayak dive and in all aspects I am a MINIMALIST diver and DIR is far to cumbersome and rigid and inflexible and equipment dependent to accomadate my varied diving. I am more into diving and exploring than equipment and procedures.

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[MXGratefulDiver]

LOL, one in particular.......nice packaging but anyone can hire their neighbor for a few six packs of beer to shoot video of them bolting up a wing in their living room! That was kind of :mooner: IN 9......
Couldn't resist...................

The videos were lame ... I got partway through them, took them out and tossed them in a drawer ... I think they're still there.

Andrew's Fifth D-X videos were much better ... especially the second one. At least they showed actual diving skills ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[rjack321]

George isn't dead ... he's irrelevent. I think your behavior is every bit as repulsive as his was ... and for all the same reasons.

The big difference is that George had a clue what he was criticizing ...


Now THAT's just freak'n funny ...

Gotta mirror handy?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Right on brotha

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

"Prove it prove it prove it," the common cry of any non-thinking clone. The best cure for this is simply to let everyone who does not know any better simply go on diving that way, especially deco on the fly. Because this gives the local hyperbaric chambers a lot of practice. And that way the chambers will always be ready in case a smart diver needs to pay a visit, which is rare, if ever.

What the hell, let's drive this train a little further into the ground ...

A simple exercise for ya ... or anyone else who cares to try it ...

Take your V-planner and run a profile for a dive. Set the conservatism level to +2.

Now apply the rules of ratio deco to the same dive profile ... assuming, of course, that you have a clue what those rules actually are.

Note the similarities. What you'll find in most cases is that the major difference is that ratio deco will have you making 1-minute stops starting from a deeper depth than V-planner ... but the total run time will be very similar. Personally, I prefer the deep stops. If I have to explain to you why, then perhaps you don't know enough about basic decompression to be doing those kind of dives.

There's a saying ... "those who say it can't be done should get out of the way of those who are doing it".

Oh ... and as to your assertion that standard mixes are "unsafe" ... I suggest you take that one up with NOAA ... either that or go back to your basic Nitrox class and pay attention this time.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Kim]

Why are these DIR fights still happening?

I thought the whole point of the new forum was that you guys didn't have to fight like this anymore.

Did you miss it or something?

This is just another

All the usual players seem to be here, and no-one is ever going to win the argument IMO. This is just costing blood pressure......

As far as the original question goes. I'm a non-DIR diver. My gear that I have suits me fine and I see no reason to change it considering the opportunities to dive that I have. It's back inflate.....DiveRite Transpac.....I actually like those quick releases.

I dive as safely as I can though, and I can fully respect the DIR philosophy. It's probably of more use and importance in diving environments that I never see, or am very likely to. Around here there'd be no point anyway. Even if I was DIR I'd be the only person for many hundreds of miles in any direction....and DIR doesn't do solo.....

Hell... I didn't even know about these labels and boxes until I joined SB. I used to think we were all just divers...........silly me!

 

[fweber]

Why are these DIR fights still happening?

I thought the whole point of the new forum was that you guys didn't have to fight like this anymore.

Did you miss it or something?

Let's face it, in a forum populated by only "the faithful", there isn't much to talk about. Even within a group of "practictioners" you have to have some form of disagreement, or at the very least questioning if there isn't a better or worse way, for any sort of debate to take place. Otherwise, it's all spelled out, you take it at face value and accept it, or not, and go dive, no reason for an internet board, DIR forum, or any of this.

Things within DIR have changed over the few years that it's been around. And hopefully, they will continue to change. It's not perfect and you're not going to hear loud and challenging discussion from those who accept all of it without question. You just might get some really thoughtful points on it's shortcomings from divers who have investigated it thoroughly read all the materials that are available, watched the dvd's, talked with DIR Instructors and their local DIR divers, and ended up choosing to adopted most of it with the exception of a few parts that just aren't "right" or best.

You're not going to see me go into those points right now, because Bob, Doug and a few others are already on the defensive and dissmissive side as a result of nereas approaching this with as poor an approach as can be found.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Actually I'd be happy to discuss different opinions ... as long as we can conduct the conversation on the merits of ideas, rather than vague statements of disdain and braggadacio about past exploits in high school.

Contrary to popular opinion, I'm kool-aid averse ... and open to alternative approaches as long as the person espousing them can explain why they're doing so. Where the DIR program wins points with me is with their ability to do that. Doesn't mean I accept everything they say ... nor do I particularly like the politics that goes with association with GUE ... but it DOES mean that until I see someone explain to me why an alternative way is better, there's no reason for me to consider changing my views on the subject ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[TSandM]

Honestly, the threads I enjoy reading the most are the ones where some aspect of the DIR approach is being debated -- as long as the debate stays on topic, and doesn't degenerate into a food fight. There have been several long threads on DIR Explorers like this. I think the most recent one was about why DIR doesn't do "right rich, left lean". I learned a ton from reading it.

Just as the unexamined life isn't worth living, the unexamined idea isn't worth adopting. The problem is that the discussions just can't seem to remain focused on the ideas, and civil.

 

[dsteding]

You're not going to see me go into those points right now, because Bob, Doug and a few others are already on the defensive and dissmissive side as a result of nereas approaching this with as poor an approach as can be found.

Thoughtful conversation is something I enjoy as well. But, you are right, It just seems that every time that starts we end up flinging poo. Nereas certainly doesn't help matters.

It may be difficult for some to accept, but I came to this style of diving after much deliberation, analysis and thought. That is part of my nature as a scientist (and an attorney). Do I take offense when people think of me as a mindless drone? No, because that isn't my approach to diving.

Do I take exception when people think of all DIR divers as mindless drones? Yes, because that has not been my experience with the 30 odd DIR divers I've interacted with. Just like you, my choices in diving are based on thought and experience, and I'm completely happy to give others the space to dive as they see fit.

Respectful dialog of any substance is enjoyable. Poo flinging is for monkeys.

 

[Hank49]

Just as the unexamined life isn't worth living, .

That's the first time I've ever heard that one. It seems the opposite of "taking the path less traveled"....or however that's said. Can you please explain what it means?