No truer words have ever been typed!

[under water]

Come dive with me and find out.

I guess resistance is futile!
I think I may need to work my way up to that, but I'll gladly beam over to your cube.
I may be about as non-DIR as you can get though. (Split fins, danglies and AIR2). Hopefully in the spirit of this thread, that wouldn't matter.

 

[PerroneFord]

PerroneFord [is not] not tempted to slip into the “I’m a better diver so listen up you numbskull.” mode when dispensing their opinions. I thank them for that.

Awfully easy when you're as bad a diver as me! Honestly, I'm just happy to be able to speak to and learn from so many divers around the world.

This stuff still fascinates me.

 

[PerroneFord]

I guess resistance is futile!
I think I may need to work my way up to that, but I'll gladly beam over to your cube.
I may be about as non-DIR as you can get though. (Split fins, danglies and AIR2). Hopefully in the spirit of this thread, that wouldn't matter.

The shop I work for primarily deals with rebreathers. Most of my dives are with CCR divers, or diver's who don't know or don't care to know about DIR. Doesn't make much difference to me. As long as they are safe. Danglies in OW don't bother me too much, as long as it doesn't compromise safety. Start talking about overheads or deep diving, and things might be a bit different.

 

[scarefaceDM]

« People who lean on logic and philosophy and rational exposition end by starving the best part of the mind. »
William Butler Yates

 

[under water]

« People who lean on logic and philosophy and rational exposition end by starving the best part of the mind. »
William Butler Yates

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

from ‘The Second Coming’
Same guy! WB Yates

 

[scarefaceDM]

..passion is part of balance..

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

from ‘The Second Coming’
Same guy! WB Yates

 

[Guba]

Ah, yes, the keystone of education...
I'm starting to level off at a "bottom line". Absorbing what all have said, it appears that the crux is definitely an average of all statements, and I think that's in agreement with most of the posters here (there are notable exceptions).
I'm not an instructor, but I am a professional educator. What has become clear in three decades of teaching is that students don't really care to know what YOU know until they know you CARE that they want to know it. In other words, you can teach "facts" and data all you want, but until you demonstrate that you think it's important, they aren't going to absorb much. That's where "passion" comes in. A passionate teacher is able to convey more than information...they transfer enthusiasm and a yearning to learn. That's when education becomes most effective.
However, the basis is still the information itself. The passion is a facilitator. Therefore, as stated before, it's a blend. Argument + delivery = effectiveness What we are quibbling about now is how much of each incredient should go into the recipe.

 

[under water]

However, the basis is still the information itself. The passion is a facilitator. Therefore, as stated before, it's a blend. Argument + delivery = effectiveness What we are quibbling about now is how much of each incredient should go into the recipe.

Well said Guba.
Actually I think you said it all in your profile when you wrote "science is a passion"

 

[TSandM]

The OP seems to be reacting to what he perceives as browbeating or arrogance on the part of people giving advice here.

I'll admit that there is the occasional over-the-top post of, "If you dive with a Spare Air, you are going to die!" But, for the most part, people argue fairly cogently for their viewpoints, and often with significant passion. Sometimes, it seems necessary to be heated or emphatic, when someone is proposing doing something which appears to be particularly dangerous. And some of us have some very strong opinions about how people ought to be educated, or what they ought to know or be able to do, to enter certain diving situations.

Overall, my guess is that that kind of passion and dedication to spreading information and to helping (people spend AMAZING amounts of time sharing their knowledge here) has done far more good than harm to the large, silent readership of this board. My guess is that a lot of people got their first introduction to the concept of gas management and redundancy here; got reminded that they should practice emergency procedures; got introduced to various ways of configuring gear; got some input as to what a quality class should be, and what to ask an instructor . . . All of these things are spread over this board daily, and by people with passion AND strong opinions, who aren't always as diplomatic as they might be in conveying those.

We can all be jolly and go diving together, certainly; but surely Scubaboard can serve a higher purpose than that?

 

[akbpilot]

Thanks Teamcasa
Love the thread.
Sign me up for the club and order me a Tshirt in extra large.
I like it much better in here than in that monster of a post I created over there.
(Padi Bashers)

P.S.
Don't tell them I'm here. They'll come get me.

Too late, the scouting party has found you. The rest of the posse will be here shortly.