No Ferry To Maui

[VBlueV]

What's wrong with Hummers? .. gets better mileage that lots of other things on the road

other things like.. an M1A1 [2.5 GALLONS per mile]..


jeez! just let the super ferry be..
i was surprised hawaii didn't have regular inter-island ferry service decades ago..

did you see that "marine biologist" in court recommending all inter-island traffic be kept to under 10 knots..
omg.. people paddle faster than that :biggrin3:

 

[Cacia]

I think it needs to go slower than 25 knots though.

what's the big deal slowing it down?

This deal needs to be compromised if you ask me, it is really upsetting everyone. I really don't think it would be that hard to make everybody feel okay about it. The alien species is a tough one, the algae is a huge problem.

 

[kidspot]

...it is really upsetting everyone...

Not "everyone"

 

[Charlie99]

did you see that "marine biologist" in court recommending all inter-island traffic be kept to under 10 knots..
omg.. people paddle faster than that :biggrin3:

I don't know if a 10 or 13 knot speed limit will be applied to all Hawaiian waters, but the long term effect of this whole fiasco may the cleaning up a lot of the invasive species pathways. The marine biologist raised a whole series of concerns that aren't really unique to the superferry.

For example, she wanted either a prohibition against the transfer of nets by the superferry, or some sort of bleach treatment. OTOH, she readily agreed that anybody anybody whose net was rejected by the superferry could just walk next door and hand it over to Young Bros to be shipped over. Same situation with several other things, including hot water wash of undercarriage of cars, construction vehicles, etc. Right now,there are no prohibitions or requirements at all for the car barges.

Another fun segment to watch was the guy from Hana talking about confronting and "educating" of people from other areas of Maui that tried to go hunting or fishing around Hana without having someone from Hana as an escort. It's the first part of http://ustream.tv/akakucommunitytelevision/videos/m2h,gsWP7Q1Yqk7DG,WvEobOmTem0Ia5 He's already bent out of shape by Maui residents coming to Hana and has a few choice words about people from Oahu.

 

[Cacia]

I don't want to be a "superferry people" The road to Hana doesn't even appeal to me...like venturing "too deep" into Appalachia. WHO is that red t-shirt guy?

25 knots is too fast, and I am stuck on that. I can't get worked up about the Oahu people stealing his rocks.

kidspot, you are the most mellow sunny guy on Maui.

oh and his bit about the Hui is pretty interesting.....do they have a Hana person with them, wow. Almost like Molakai. I do think that he gets credit for working within the "system" and that we better listen or there is going to be big trouble. I hope all parties can see beyond the "Superferry".

 

[friscuba]

I would love to have a video of that guy in the red tee "educating" visitors. I liked his comment that many people are offended with how we educate them but then after 5 minutes they agree... been there, seen it, and heard of similar "educational" approaches, most of the time it ends without a hospital visit.

 

[Charlie99]

WHO is that red t-shirt guy?

Kema Kanakaole. No need to worry, he went to "anger management classes" after pleading no contest to assaulting an outsider in 2005. http://starbulletin.com/2005/10/05/news/story08.html

Earlier this year <2005>, Kanakaole's Eastside Hui was being investigated by Maui police to determine whether it was a "domestic terrorism" group, which has tried to limit the taking of fish and other resources from East Maui.

No charges related to domestic terrorism have been filed against any member of the group.

If I were the lawyer for Sierra Cluba and Maui Tomorrow, I would have looked a bit further to find another witness.

Just to keep a diving connection to the discussion: http://starbulletin.com/2005/06/19/news/story2.html

Kanakaole acknowledged that a hui member recently was placed on probation for petty misdemeanor harassment and criminal property damage in connection with an argument with two divers.

The divers were in a public area in East Maui, and the member called them out of the water and later picked up a stick and damaged a vehicle, police said.

Most of the time, Hawaiian newspaper articles don't distinguish between scuba divers and freedivers. I suspect that the "divers" were spearfishing without tanks.

and some background on the term "educating":

Kanakaole said in the last two months, his group has also changed the wording on signs posted on public and private properties in East Maui to convey a more positive message.

Scores of signs, posted in September, initially told "all outsider (nonresident) hunter, fisher, picker, gatherer and real estate people ... as of now, all resources taken from the Hana District (Keanae to Kaupo) shall be regulated by Eastside Hui."
Kanakaole said the word "regulated" has been changed to "educated."

The rumors I hear is that a lot of stuff was going on 2 years ago, but that things are a bit more mellow, or at least more subtle now than in fall 2005.

 

[Cacia]

If I were the lawyer for Sierra Cluba and Maui Tomorrow, I would have looked a bit further to find another witness

ya think? lol

As I see it

We have to respect even the "uneducated" and perhaps "lawless", at times. *These* Hawaiians are easier to deal with if they can get some respect for their territorial concerns and fishing rights. It would be much better to try and work them into the solution, because this is just the tip of the iceburg. They have some pride and if you laugh them off, you lose in the long run.

Just look at what happened to that big shot developer who wanted to put a mall at Shark's Cove?

He might have navigated the legal process, but I think finally he realized his family could NEVER live on the North Shore. Dealing with the hui is not really much worse than dealing with the Hawaii state government. I am not speaking on what should be, just how things are here. I think the Superferry folks should negotiate a bit, they think they have, but they need to approach the hui on the hui's terms for a conversation.

 

[DiveWestOahu]

I don't know if any of you remember the old "sea flight" hydrofoil service back in the 80's I think,
it went over 45 knots and never hit any whales, I wonder how many of these ppl complaining actually lived here back then

 

[friscuba]

There really is no working with them when your mere presence in an area they consder to be their space is the problem. The only solution is to leave.