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matt_unique:
...02 is part of the fire triangle for sure...
Actually, it's a fire "tetrahedron" and that fourth component is "chemical reaction." ;)

The issue of inexperience on the part of the OP aside, I can tell you that handling O2 fills on a regular basis is not nearly as dangerous as some would think.

I say this because I worked for a fire department that did thousands of high pressure (>2000 PSI) O2 fills per year using more than 500 cylinders and 200 demand regulators of all configurations. We had 2 O2 filling stations with 2200 PSI banks, whips, pigs, etc. Minimal training on filling procedures, minimal cleaning and maintenance on regulators and valves (when it breaks, "fix it") and general apathy in terms of "respecting" O2. We did this for more than 20+ years with no accidents and no fires. I'll bet the thousands of fire and EMS departments in the USA have similar experience and probably near identical results. If a department DID have a TRUE oxygen driven fire with HP cylinder failure and a large release of gas, I'm sure the results would be dramatic enough to make some news.

That said, "HEAT" and "FUEL" are probably the components that drive most O2 related fires at filling stations. The simple way to avoid it is to keep relatively clean equipment, make O2 the FIRST gas to mix and NEVER "jack" (i.e., "pump") O2 for fills. Do the blends on the low side, use air on the high side and keep in mind the cut offs and direction of your gas. It's NOT rocket science.

Just my thoughts...
 
The Horn:
So other than dude messing up his mix how DANGEROUS is his home brew idea?.
It's not that it's so dangerous, but that O2 fires are extremely unforgiving.
 
Drewski:
That said, "HEAT" and "FUEL" are probably the components that drive most O2 related fires at filling stations. The simple way to avoid it is to keep relatively clean equipment, make O2 the FIRST gas to mix and NEVER "jack" (i.e., "pump") O2 for fills. Do the blends on the low side, use air on the high side and keep in mind the cut offs and direction of your gas. It's NOT rocket science.

Just my thoughts...
Do you mean that when I was sitting above a haskel pump, boosting O2 to 3000 psi was a bad thing?
 
JeffG:
Do you mean that when I was sitting above a haskel pump, boosting O2 to 3000 psi was a bad thing?
Well, for his garage filling station it would be. The higher the pressure of O2, the greater the heat generated. Add even a little fuel and you have potential.

Using a haskel pump - especially a "home made" style "booster" pump as Vance discusses - has it's own risks. If you accept the risk, hey it's your house... ;)

Personally, I'd stick to transfer fills for home O2 mixing and buy the gas for 100% at 3000 PSI. BUT, that's just me...
 
Drewski:
Well, for his garage filling station it would be. The higher the pressure of O2, the greater the heat generated. Add even a little fuel and you have potential.

Using a haskel pump - especially a "home made" style "booster" pump as Vance discusses - has it's own risks. If you accept the risk, hey it's your house... ;)

Personally, I'd stick to transfer fills for home O2 mixing and buy the gas for 100% at 3000 PSI. BUT, that's just me...
Well...We didn't have a store. This was our setup.

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JeffG:
Well...We didn't have a store. This was our setup.
SWEET! That's some SERIOUS gas... Find anything cool in Halifax harbor?
 
Drewski:
SWEET! That's some SERIOUS gas... Find anything cool in Halifax harbor?
It was all new to me, but we didn't find anything new. We are trying for the U190 and the Esquimalt. If You think Tech divers have egos....guys with ship numbers are just as bad LOL
 
JeffG:
It was all new to me, but we didn't find anything new. We are trying for the U190 and the Esquimalt. If You think Tech divers have egos....guys with ship numbers are just as bad LOL
Dude you seriously need a rebreather!
 
matt_unique:
Wood is a fuel, 02 is not. 02 is part of the fire triangle for sure, but if you throw a match in a room full of 02 guess what happens?

--Matt
Nothing at all happens.
The match will not burn.

Now if you throw a lit match in the room it will burn faster.

Next question what happens if you throw a lit match in a room full of paper?
Answer nothing. if the room was full of paper then there is no room for O2 (or the match for that matter)
Just because O2 is not technicly flammable does not mean it is safe.

Incedently I saw a thing on TV where they soaked a cigarette in liquid O2 and then lit it. The tabacco burned down in a few seconds then appeard to go out untill a second latter when the filter fizzed like a sky rocket. Next they soaked a cigarette and a dummy lying in bed in a caravan with liquid O2 and ignited it. A small fire started which spread quite fast then a few seconds later the whole caravan exploded.
 
wedivebc:
Dude you seriously need a rebreather!
Never say never....thats my motto. There might be a few RB's on the next Halifax outing.
 

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