Nitrox class question

[Spectre]

Karl_in_Calif once bubbled...
53 minutes is not very long. Was it a repetitive dive? What was the surface interval time? What was the data from the prior dive?

No. It wasn't repetitive One dive on 26% the day before.

Yes, there were mitigating circumstances to the oxtox. But that's not the point here. The point here is that he toxed at 1.3, and he did not exceed the O2 clock.

Therefore your reasoning for not teaching Oxtox rescue is completely bogus, close minded, and dangerous.

 

[cornfed]

Karl_in_Calif once bubbled...

Corn-Fed, you did promise to go away after that last bedtime story.

No Karl, the only thing I said was that I reply to your messages because they're so stupid. I don't remember say I would leave you alone. You asked me too, but I didn't say I would. What's wrong, little rec diver kid too much for the big bad tech diver to handle?

Mike is loading his questions by the way. Eventually this will all boil down to "Do you rip your students' maskes off underwater?" and "Do you dangle your students over a chasm with EANx in their tanks?"

Um... er.. yeah, of course it will.

Now run along. You promised.

Make you a deal, I'm going to be out of town this weekend. That gives you Saturday and Sunday to get all the stupidity out. Go forth and spew all the bull**** you want, I won't bother you. Hopefully you'll have purged yourself of stupidity by Monday. But be careful, two days will only give you 50 posts and you've got a lot of dumb ideas to cleanse yourself of.

 

[Former FLL Now MSP Diver]

Which agencies do teach tox'ed diver rescue as part of their regular Nitrox courses? I know of two that DON'T have it in their standards.

Marc

 

[Karl_in_Calif]

Spectre once bubbled...


No. It wasn't repetitive One dive on 26% the day before.

Yes, there were mitigating circumstances to the oxtox. But that's not the point here. The point here is that he toxed at 1.3, and he did not exceed the O2 clock.

Therefore your reasoning for not teaching Oxtox rescue is completely bogus, close minded, and dangerous.

Well MHK would probably agree with you.

I think it would be great to teach it (ox tox rescue) in a rescue class though.

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

FLL Diver once bubbled...
Which agencies do teach tox'ed diver rescue as part of their regular Nitrox courses? I know of two that DON'T have it in their standards.

Marc

I'm an instructor for 5 agencies and non of them teach it.

 

[cornfed]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled...


I'm an instructor for 5 agencies and non of them teach it.

I'm pretty GUE teach it in their Tech 1 class. I've heard that it's addressed in DIR-F and RecTriox, but I'm not sure to what extent.

 

[Former FLL Now MSP Diver]

cornfed once bubbled...


I'm pretty GUE teach it in their Tech 1 class. I've heard that it's addressed in DIR-F and RecTriox, but I'm not sure to what extent.

I should have clarified that I was asking about accredited agencies that can issue certifications. GUE can't issue cards, and those classes you cite aren't regular Nitrox certification classes.

So if none of the accredited agencies have rescuing tox'ed divers as a standard in their Nitrox certification classses, why the pile on?

Marc

 

[Warren_L]

Being able to handle specific types of emergency situations, even those that are relatively infrequent can only be a benefit. Or am I missing something here?

 

[Spectre]

FLL Diver once bubbled...
Which agencies do teach tox'ed diver rescue as part of their regular Nitrox courses? I know of two that DON'T have it in their standards.

Yep. They don't. Why not? Well, we know that in Karl's case, he doesn't feel it's necessary because you're perfectly safe to 1.6. Well, you're not. And passing that fallacy onto a student just causes them to not think they need to think about it, or be prepared for it. OxTox should _not_ be treated as the boogieman, because then you have people that will have absolutely no idea how to deal with it if it happens to their buddy, diving within the confines of their training.

OW training teaches CESA. OW Training teachs reg recovery. Those are tools you need to survive in the OW environment. Dealing with a toxing diver is a tool you need when diving with nitrox.

 

[Former FLL Now MSP Diver]

Spectre once bubbled...
Yep. They don't. Why not? Well, we know that in Karl's case, he doesn't feel it's necessary

Karl's personal feelings on the question are irrelevant. If it's not a required standard, how can you fault an instructor who is following the standards? It appears to me that this argument has become personal. You should be discussing agency standards, not individual instructors who are following the standards.

Actually wasn't there a thread a while back on this very subject of following agency standards?

Marc