newbie LP inflator hose routing question

[LUBOLD8431]

<snipped a whole bunch> ...the tubing should go slightly above the D-ring... <snipped some more>

There should be no innertube above either shoulder D ring.

I'm confused...

The GUE Instructor says one thing, and the DIR moderator says another... Seriously, which is it???

 

[UWSojourner]

There should be two (or even threee) pieces of innertube at the bottom of both shoulder straps. The top piece is used to secure the bottom of the light. The other one or two are backups, if the first piece of innertube breaks, you slide up the next and your light is again secure (probably saving that dive).

There should be no innertube above either shoulder D ring.

Roak

OK. I just looked. 1 piece above left D-Ring, 1 piece below. On right, both are below. So, it seems you're telling me the instructor who setup the Eclipse wasn't quite doing it right (so to speak). I can live with that.

I'll give the bungee a shot with the inflator, but theoretically what is wrong with a relatively thick (i.e. broad) piece of inner-tube securing the inflator? Is it too weak? Because I like the position rather than have the inflator as low as the D-ring.

 

[UWSojourner]

I'm confused...

The GUE Instructor says one thing, and the DIR moderator says another... Seriously, which is it???

I guess I'm confused now too.

AND still a bit put out that I was told to go away because my responses weren't DIR. Its not like I told the guy to get a BC and get rid of his wing.

 

[roakey]

The GUE Instructor says one thing, and the DIR moderator says another... Seriously, which is it???

Moderator, schmoderator. When I'm replying I'm a nobody. MHK is a GUE instructor. I believe he's talking about the corrugated tube, not the innertube (which I was), but, if we're in conflict, listen to him, not me.

Roak

 

[mempilot]

I thought DIR was supposed to be KISS. Sounds like it is actually very complicated. I'm trying to learn this stuff gradually, but this forum makes it very tough. I like the philosophy, but why is such a simple thing turned into a complicated task? I'm signed up for a DIR-F class next month. Hopefully they won't give a third way to do this.

 

[UWSojourner]

I thought DIR was supposed to be KISS. Sounds like it is actually very complicated. I'm trying to learn this stuff gradually, but this forum makes it very tough. I like the philosophy, but why is such a simple thing turned into a complicated task? I'm signed up for a DIR-F class next month. Hopefully they won't give a third way to do this.

Good luck with your Dir-F class. I plan on taking it next year with my daughter as soon as she turns 16.

 

[MarcHall]

I thought DIR was supposed to be KISS. Sounds like it is actually very complicated. I'm trying to learn this stuff gradually, but this forum makes it very tough. I like the philosophy, but why is such a simple thing turned into a complicated task? I'm signed up for a DIR-F class next month. Hopefully they won't give a third way to do this.

What a thread, I'm even getting confused :->

To clarify the issues.

1. On the harness below each shoulder D-ring, there should be two pieces on inner tube rubber around the harness webbing. The backup light gets clipped to the D-Ring and one of these pieces of tubing is used to hold the other end of the light flush with the harness strap. The second isva backup and should be stowed on the harness under the light below the D-Ring. If the first piece breaks you use this backup to secure the light.

2. On the corrugated BC inflator hose there should be two pieces of inner tube rubber. The LP inflator hose coming off the regulator is routed thru these pieces of inner tube. Both of these pieces of inner tube should be above the location of bungie (see 3) and spaced a few inches apart. This keeps this hose from bowing out and just makes for a cleaner package.

3. Attached at the same spot as the D-Ring is a piece of bungie. The corrugated inflator hose should be run thru this bungie. Some would run the LP Inflator hose over the top of the bungie. DIR implementation would run the LP inflator hose thru the bungie as well. The bungie needs to be used otherwise you may find (or not find) the inflator hose floating up behind your head when you need to use it.

4. For positioning of the D-Ring see http://www.baue.org/images/galleries/view_album.php?set_albumName=equipment

5. MHK stated it well already, but just to drive the point home, during the dive the rear dump should be the used to dump air from the wing. The inflator would be used to dump air to initiate the descent while in a head's up position, after you have obtained slightly negative buoyancy you would slide into a horizontal position feet first and descend in a controlled manner.

Questions ???

Marc Hall
www.enjoythedive.com
www.sdue.org

 

[LUBOLD8431]

Questions ???

Marc Hall
www.enjoythedive.com
www.sdue.org

Good, we confused the GUE Instructor!!!

Ok, really, someone give Mike Kane a call and tell him to please come back on here, and clarify his statement, specifically the phrase that I quoted above... What is he referring to??? <tubing>

 

[UWSojourner]

There should be a piece of inner-tube rubber higher up on the strap (if not, put one there). Put that piece close to the top of your shoulder strap and run the inflator through that. You'll be able to lift the inflator higher and dump more air, more conveniently.

Point 1: "There should be a piece of inner-tube rubber higher up on the strap"

Well, as Marc said, NO there shouldn't. I'll have to redo ours.

Point 2: "You'll be able to lift the inflator higher and dump more air, more conveniently."

I do think that is true, but what I'm hearing is that you shouldn't be dumping from a vertical position much and mostly from the rear dump. Not having taken DIR-F yet, we dump air almost entirely from vertical position (or by rolling a bit to right). Learn, learn, learn.

Thanks Marc.

 

[jplacson]

Hory, I dive a Pioneer as well, and the bungee does come standard with it. Where did you purchase your Pioneer?

Anyway, there is no problem dumping from the inflator hose even while bungeed as long as you know how.

Using the inflator or lower dump while horizontal requires you to roll right... if using the inflator, raise it above your head then dump. If using the pull dump, just raise your butt a bit, then tug the string.

On a vertical heads-up (parachute style) descent, you have to lean back a bit from a perfectly vertical position, then raise the inflator above your head before dumping.

On a vertical heads-down descent, just tug the lower pull-dump.

I've found that using the lower pull dump in most cases is the best and most effective way to dump air.... even while ascending... you just raise your butt and dump