New Zeagle Bail-out System

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Adobo:
PADI 101 says have a buddy. Your buddy is your emergency plan.

Just to play devils advocate.... You must be a much better buddy than most I've been with (probably including myself.) I've often been more than a comfortable OAG swim away from my buddy. I'm not saying that a small pony is an answer. I'm just saying that most of us have been in situations where our buddy would not be the answer to an OAG situation.

Not meant to incite a flame war! :D
 
Regardless of whether or not I am better buddy, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of divers trained by the major agencies are trained to dive in buddy teams. (Or so I hear.) When a diver get's to "500-999" dives worth of experience, they are at a point where they know what they would rather do. Divers with that level of experience also will quite likely see the limitations of this so called solution and know when it is appropriate to use and when it is not. The newer divers with less experience and less knowledge who choose to implement an emergency procedure different than the one they were taught in OW classes maybe in for a surprise if the peanut butter hits the fan.

I did some math on this. I am a newb so please correct me where I may be wrong.

If I am at 100 ft and experience an OOG emergency, I shove this thing in my mouth. At an ascent rate of 33ft/min, I have roughly 3 minutes to get to the surface. Let's say that average depth during the ascent is 2.5 ata (50 ft). As I am in an emergency, let us assume a SAC rate of 1 cu ft/min. By my math, I will need 7.5 cu ft to make the ascent. Now, that assumes that as soon as I switch to this bail out system, I begin my ascent right away. In most dive planning sessions I have been through, we add a little bit of time before the ascent to collect ourselves, stow our gear, etc.

I don't mean to incite a flame war either. It just seems to me that if you are going to put together an emergency system, you should design it so that deploying the system doesn't put the diver at risk of needing to visit the hyperbaric chamber and/or put the diver at risk of running out of gas before you get to the surface.
 
Adobo:
I dunno what DIR has to do with it (nor do I really know what DIR means) but I hate the idea.


DIR Short for Directory a term use in UNIX file structures! :eyebrow:
 
I agree that emergency systems should be designed not to put the diver at risk. That said, I believe it's fair to say that the Spare Air and the Zeagle 6 cf systems are meant for divers that are relying on buddies in general. So, it's a back-up to the back-up. Better than nothing, but not designed for solo.

When I dive solo, I either have doubles or a 30cf pony. (Well, except on Carribean liveaboard when I carry the dreaded Spare Air. But, I limit solo to 60' and accept the risk that I am incurring.)

With regard to the math, I did similar math in an earlier post. I assumed a 60 fpm ascent rate since I think realistically most divers would do so and it proved to be pretty safe for many, many years.
 
Jibeho:
DIR Short for Directory a term use in UNIX file structures!
:rofl3: :rofl3: Talk about inciting a flame war! BTW, DOS uses the same term.
 
Sharky1948:
With regard to the math, I did similar math in an earlier post. I assumed a 60 fpm ascent rate since I think realistically most divers would do so and it proved to be pretty safe for many, many years.

With this system, you have no choice. You gotta do an expedited ascent. It's either that or you run out of gas twice in one dive. Personally, I'd rather make a leisurely ascent breathing of my buddy's tanks. I dunno much about 60 fpm but I have heard that getting bent like a pretzel and/or getting embolized are somehow related to excessive ascent rates.
 
Why do we have to go thru the same debate EVERY time anything is posted about small pony bottles?
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Are all new divers going to shell out $400+ on a fully redundant system & then have to pay for 2 more regs & another cylinder to get inspected every year? - - - NO
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Is this system better than a good buddy? - - - NO
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Is this system ideal for 100'+? - - -NO
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If someone practices w/ this system, is it MUCH better to have this as a backup than having nothing? - - - for me, YES


Joe
 
joetex0777:
Why do we have to go thru the same debate EVERY time anything is posted about small pony bottles?
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Are all new divers going to shell out $400+ on a fully redundant system & then have to pay for 2 more regs & another cylinder to get inspected every year? - - - NO
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Is this system better than a good buddy? - - - NO
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Is this system ideal for 100'+? - - -NO
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If someone practices w/ this system, is it MUCH better to have this as a backup than having nothing? - - - for me, YES


Joe

Well said. I completely agree.
 
Adobo:
I dunno much about 60 fpm but I have heard that getting bent like a pretzel and/or getting embolized are somehow related to excessive ascent rates.

Until the last few years, the Navy, training agencies, and DAN all recommended 60 fpm ascent. It still makes sense at the lower part of deep dives to avoid on-gassing vs. off-gassing. Fast ascent rates clearly contribute to DCS. But, for most dives you are not adding much risk at all by ascending that fast if you have to.

Adobo:
Personally, I'd rather make a leisurely ascent breathing of my buddy's tanks.

Totally agree. But, again, what about when you can't find your buddy, he/she is too far away, or he/she panics and is of no help?
 
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