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NEW TS Sidemount system

Discussion in 'Sidemount Diving' started by bluemed, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. bluemed

    bluemed Master Instructor

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    Here you go, pictures of the wing, what you see in the IANTD video is a prototype, this is the real deal.
    Again, I post this to show you the new stuff, this is a complete system and exceptionally well made. I will still dive back mount and you will also see me on a camel bag, I am an educator that wants to be on top of things and not married to any particular configuration or brand.
    Trolls...I am not going to bite ;-) I can see you coming and even smell you.......;-)
     
  2. tbone1004

    tbone1004 Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    seen the pictures, still wouldn't dive it or dive in true sidemount passages with someone else. You can see in the pictures with the guy showing the red plate bit that as soon as you lean forward, that stands off and will catch on things. Probably won't get stuck backing up because the crotch strap should keep it down, but it is rigid and can catch on things, and that isn't OK in my book

    Again, in OW, looks fine, I have no issues. In big cave passages, no problems. Not in a true sidemount passage though, and I say that as one who does actually dive in that environment.... I've gotten the top of my Nomad caught and I know others that have had the top section of the SMS75/100 get caught. *those are the same design concept as this sandwich thing btw. It's nothing new or innovative*. The difference with the soft packs is that they will give and when you arch your back they will arch with it so you won't get properly stuck
     
  3. bluemed

    bluemed Master Instructor

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    Yes, so you got stuck huh ? I didn't post this to see who has the longest..;-)
    I see what you mean, but nomads and SMS 75? and you complain about what ??
     
  4. tbone1004

    tbone1004 Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I didn't get stuck, I got caught. I was able to get unstuck. If I had a TS rig on, I am 100% confident I would not have been able to get through that restriction because the rigid backplate would not have conformed to the contour of the cave passage.

    So my question, you are commenting that it works in true sidemount passages. Do you dive those passages and have you taken a system like that in those kinds of restrictions? It's not a dick measuring contest. It's about point out a very real safety issue with a system and that being the reason that it has not been adopted in Florida.
     
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  5. bluemed

    bluemed Master Instructor

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    Again and again, I don't know yet. Obviously you know the answer and these guys in the video are clueless and are doing some stupid project you do on a daily base.I think, and I repeat I think that yes, there are ways of getting stuck with this but also with a bungeed wing on your hips.....and I have been told that sometimes it is probably even better not to get stuck since the cover is hard and that offers sometimes some advantages. What I do know is that IANTD has got a course around all this and that these guys are doing some proper stuff, stuff you and me aren't doing.
    So probably, probably, the wing has some kind of right to exist, and as you can see in the video..they guy is still alive...my 5c
     
  6. bamafan

    bamafan Contributor

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    I will probably regret commenting on this but Tom is correct. You do not want a rigid plate for true sidemount diving. No one that I know who does really tight sidemount stuff would use this system. As far as IANTD offering c cards for it they only care about the money. There is a buck to be made so they will issue a card.
     
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  7. Patoux01

    Patoux01 Solo Diver

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    To me, the "getting stuck" is a very theoretical issue... Much like torn out Stealth dumps (supposedly everyone here knows it happens all the time and is super-duper-dangerous, yet I know of only 2 cases, done by some of the most insane divers there are...).


    Looks quite sleek, do you know how much lift is has? Weight of the rig? Does it provide a very different feeling compared to eg a Razor/Stealth? IOW, what benefits do you think it provides? Just out of curiosity, as I'm not changing rig anytime soon anyway.
     
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  8. bluemed

    bluemed Master Instructor

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    No worries, I think the system will work fine in many situations, I still have to try it and see for myself (regarding the restrictions). as you can see on the pics it is very streamlined and the shape of the top BP is triangular, i can also see some advantages whilst crawling since it is rigid. It is not a normal BP, have closer look. I would be more worried about the usual christmas tree on the butt dRings, with light canisters and spools and reels. It is very well made, quality webbing and Drings, stable and easy to configure, easy to put the weights on and distribute, donning and doffing is also a lot nicer and quicker. the wing is kevlar so thats not going to go as easily...a drysuit would in these restrictions would long be punctured before anything else. We will see..;-)
     
  9. bluemed

    bluemed Master Instructor

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    Yes it is very sleek, super stream lined especially on the 2x1 meter hoses. like I said before, it is extremely easy to put weights on and distribute them and a super stable feeling, you can also easily put a drysuit inflation on the BP (unlike what we see now on the most popular SM rigs at the moment). The donning doffing...yeah..
    And ..it is as streamlined as it gets...that is what caught my attention...no bubble on your back..btw..these bubbles get stuck as well...hence the dumps.
    It is personal, I saw the rig, saw these guys doing this stuff...I want to try and give that a go ;-)
     
  10. tbone1004

    tbone1004 Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    if you dove true sidemount cave restrictions you would know that all the air is dumped out of the wing prior to entering the restriction in order to minimize profile. You're scraping along the bottom anyway, so there is no need to worry about being neutral, much more important to be as flat as possible. The hard backplate increases your vertical profile in an unforgiving manner because it is rigid and it does that on the thickest part of your body *chest*
     

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