New gs2000 or ?

[divingmoose]

I posted on the genesis site asking help regarding a freeflow problem with my yukon reg. Got no responce as of yet I was considering upgradeing to the gs2000 Ive heard a lot of positive things. I am using a genisis d.a.d. first stage and no problems as of yet. So Im trying to aquire the gs2000 second stage by it self. The lds that deals Genesis in our town I would rather not deal with. SO I would like some help picking a new second stage with comparable features to gs2000 with out giving up the d.a.d. I dive "cold" (low 40's F.) water Fresh (westhawk manitoba) & salt (east coast Newfoundland) any suggestions???

 

[scubafanatic]

...I'm gonna suggest not mixing-and-matching brands...this will needlessly complicate servicing. Also, it has been my experience that buying a single 2nd-stage can end up costing almost as much as an entire new reg...so be careful. You need to get on GOOGLE and locate another Genesis dealer as well. These days, with the economy taking a big nose dive, I'll bet you can score a whole new GS 2000 reg set on E-Bay for a cheap price anyway.

Karl

 

[halocline]

I don't really like the GS2000 2nd stage, having worked on one for a friend. It's basically a downstream design with a fairly (and needlessly) complicated external adjuster system. A much better choice in terms of servicing IMO would be a barrel poppet reg; either balanced or not.

I'm not a huge fan of the D.A.D. 1st stage either; it's kind of a Sherwood style flow by piston with a floating orifice to keep the IP from dropping as tank pressure lowers. Added on is a schrader (sp?) valve like a tire valve which bleeds air into the ambient chamber and then shuts off when the chamber is equalized. IOW, it's still a flow-by piston like the MK2, but with significant added complexity. You do dive cold water, so the environmental seal is nice, but there are plenty of other regs that do that.

If you really want to just a 2nd stage that's like the GS2000, look at some of the oceanic 2nds. There are some that are very similar, but I'm not too familiar with the models. In fact, I think the GS2000 is basically a re-branded oceanic, at least I've heard that. Many of the specific tools for the genesis are also for oceanic 2nds.

 

[Swampdonkey]

How about I ask you what is this free flow with your yukon? I might be able to help you fix it or give you a better way to approach your LDS about this problem. That, and I am located in Thunder Bay and could find out who you deal with and help get any issues resolved.

That being said, anyone that says the GS2000 is a pain, really didn't use the right tools or truly go through the paces. It is not a hard reg set to service and I can get a full tear down and replacement done in less then an 2 hours ( taking my time). The design works great in cold water enviroments, as it is the reg of choice for my LDS next to the SR!. As for getting a reg without a 1st stage, just buy the whole set and consider the older set as a part back-up or possible a hand me down set to a friend or family member if the free flow isn't fixed.

Just to note, not saying other regs aren't decent and don't have perks to them, I am saying that in my limited experience that the GS2000 and the Yukons are a solid reg set that can handle your diving requirements.

 

[just-a-diver]

The GS2000 is a POS , I have one and worked on it. Its never stays it tune , it a cheap reg with overpriced repair kits , dump it if you still can.

Most the shops that push Genesis can't get any other lines , I would run away from it.

 

[shoturtle]

My wife has the GS2000 and loves it, the ablity to have a diver adjust is really nice. I would not mix and match either. You can pick up a GS2000 at LP for 219 bucks. That is not to much more then getting just a 2nd stage.

 

[Swampdonkey]

The GS2000 is a POS , I have one and worked on it. Its never stays it tune , it a cheap reg with overpriced repair kits , dump it if you still can.

Most the shops that push Genesis can't get any other lines , I would run away from it.

I laugh at this statement of yours. You really aren't an informed person on the reg and from your post about it staying tuned and over priced replacement parts you have never truly owned on. If you did, in fact, owned one you would know genesis gives you 2 years of parts for your reg ( full replacement packs for a full overhaul). You will also know that when you aren't using the right tools and spend to much time tinkering with it, it will not stay tuned. I do also know that even the most heavily used gs2000 I have worked on still does stay in tune and has only cost the person parts because it is over two years old and even at that I think his last service was done through us, as we had the extra parts pack from some old manuals we found with the warranty stuff in it.

But what do I know, because clearly you know how my LDS works and how this Winnipeg LDS works. I would suggest that you put in a more constructive input with more facts behind your short post then claim something is a POS and LDS can't get another reg company in. Last time I checked, fear-mongering should be left to politics and when the sky is falling, not in diving.

 

[shoturtle]

Just a bit more info about Genesis GS2000

The Genesis GS2000 first stage is pretty much the same one as on the new Sherwood SR1, they modified a bit for the SR1. Sherwood owns Genesis. And the GS2000 Second is made by oceanic, it is pretty much the same one as the oceanic gt3 and delta 4 second stage.

 

[Couv]

....snip...
... anyone that says the GS2000 is a pain, really didn't use the right tools or truly go through the paces..

.... I can get a full tear down and replacement done in less then an 2 hours ( taking my time)..

.... in my limited experience ....

I suggest you watch this training video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBPdwOXbddk

 

[halocline]

Just a bit more info about Genesis GS2000

The Genesis GS2000 first stage is pretty much the same one as on the new Sherwood SR1, they modified a bit for the SR1. Sherwood owns Genesis. And the GS2000 Second is made by oceanic, it is pretty much the same one as the oceanic gt3 and delta 4 second stage.

I highly doubt that the SR1 is the same design as the Genesis D.A.D. 1st stage. My understanding is that the SR1 is very much in the mold of the atomic and late SP balanced piston 1st stages. (It sure looks like an atomic 1st stage) These are flow-through pistons, balanced by design and capable of very high flow and IP stability. The genesis is a flow-by piston with a seat on the end of the piston, much like the SP MK2, but with a floating orifice that compensates for downstream supply pressure. It's also a proven design, but not capable of anywhere near the type of flow that the SP and atomic BP design is. The older sherwoods are like the genesis, in fact they're so similar that it's not surprising that the companies are connected.