And the assumptions just keep coming...
Near miss at 90 foot.
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And the assumptions just keep coming...
OK then, let's play your little game.
What would YOU have done if you're buddy blew his safety stop? Would you have gone with him in case something was wrong? Would you have stayed at your safety stop but still kept an eye on him to make sure he was allright in case he needed your help or was trying to get your attention? Or would you stay at 15ft, looking at water, gauges, fish etc... until you were done?
Really, I would like to know.
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There's times (which is usually) in Lake Erie where you can't see the boat from 15' let alone your buddy.
It would depend on who I was diving with as to what I would do, but I'd probably surface to see what the problem was as before the dive I always stress to my buddy (buddies) when & where I'm stopping & expect them to stop with me, we usually agree to that beforehand. (cept for my SOB, we usually solo together)
It would depend on who I was diving with as to what I would do, but I'd probably surface to see what the problem was as before the dive I always stress to my buddy (buddies) when & where I'm stopping & expect them to stop with me, we usually agree to that beforehand. (cept for my SOB, we usually solo together)
Reef, I don't think you are going to win this argument.
If I knew there was something wrong, I definitely would come up. If there didn't appear to be anything wrong, and I *knew* he had made a slow and controlled ascent, I'd probably make my stop and monitor him from there. Of course, just because you're trying to look up doesn't mean you have crystal clear viz and can see every small movement he makes.
I say "probably" because there are so many variables that can only be judged at the time. What are surface conditions, a calm lake or 4' seas? Are there others in the group on a boat or the shore, or are you the only two for miles. Is this a buddy you don't know if often dives like this or is it a frequent buddy you know is anal about making stops, in which case blowing one would indicate a major issue.
As for surfacing after dives, my batting average is the same.
I say "probably" because there are so many variables that can only be judged at the time. What are surface conditions, a calm lake or 4' seas? Are there others in the group on a boat or the shore, or are you the only two for miles. Is this a buddy you don't know if often dives like this or is it a frequent buddy you know is anal about making stops, in which case blowing one would indicate a major issue.
As for surfacing after dives, my batting average is the same.
Ok, I guess I need to clarify the assent. My buddy called the dive due to the saturation level on my computer. We were diving a rock quarry where the viz on a good day is 15 feet. I assended up an alge covered wall, literally climbing up with my hands, screwing the viz to maybe 1-3 feet. He closed in on the wall to find me, but i was assending a little faster than he was and he never found me. I never signaled any problem at all, even if i had he would not have seen it. Due to the narcosis or hypoxia or what ever it was I was not thinking clearly enough to think about anything other than not shooting the surface. I didn't look up during the assent, this would have killed the "it's only a fue more feet" idea i was trying to convince myself of. when i reached the surface I sat on a ledge about 2 feet deep just enought to have my sholders out of the water. I know my buddy was still down, because i saw his bubbles maybe 8-10 feet away. From my assent up the wall, the viz on the surface was maybe a foot.
The Stop, Think, Breath, was literally the only thing going through my mind. I knew I was in trouble, but knoew if i shot the surface I would be in even bigger trouble !
Hope this clarifys a fue things...
Thanks for all the info and advise,
Tim
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glad your okay thanks for the story teaches new people such as myself important lessons
Well, the new information changes the side discussion a bit on what the buddy "should" have done. Now it becomes a matter of whether to make or skip your safety stop in the lost buddy drill. And we know how divisive that issue can be so may I suggest we all just search the numerous past discussions here rather than rehash it all?
I think the real problem was the fact that the "experienced" buddy didn't follow the plan and should have been aware of the OP's level of experience.
IMO, the problems were the attitudes of both divers. The OP did a fairly decent job in pointing out his faults in letting his ego get away with him. I think the "experienced" buddy needs to learn a few things as part of this incident (from what has been described by the OP).
Everything else are just symptoms.
Just my $0.02.
IMO, the problems were the attitudes of both divers. The OP did a fairly decent job in pointing out his faults in letting his ego get away with him. I think the "experienced" buddy needs to learn a few things as part of this incident (from what has been described by the OP).
Everything else are just symptoms.
Just my $0.02.
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