N2ition Software

[gibby_z]

This 'virgin' Vista test may rule in or out a possible cause of a memory error.

If it clears this test then I'll have to go back and see what Seiko installed and/or changed when they gave us that bunk version then make a small exe that will clean up the mess.

 

[priordiver]

I have two questions before I buy an n2Ition3 ...

1. Can anyone advise if the current software and downloader works under the 32 bit version of Windows 7?
2. Does anyone know what the "tilt limit" on the n2ition3 digital compass might be? I am hoping it remains accurate to about 45 deg....

Thanks,

Rob

 

[gibby_z]

Drum Roll. . . . . . . . . . .

The Software works on Windows 7
It works with The N2ition & the N2ition 3
This is on a virgin install.
(No previous LogBook install.)

The driver installed on 3 out of 4 USB ports.
(Something in the OS is preventing the install of the driver)

The software is a goofy piece of work.
While all of your log information does show up, not all the features work as intended. All of this is post dive information having to do with tank size and consumption.

The help file is written in Jap-lish and not very help full at all.
Descriptions like "If the button that says Log is the button for Log"

So, it is what it is.
We will send more requests back to Seiko for upgrades and hope they make further improvements.

I will put together install instructions for for Windows 7 and release it here.

Vista is next and I will give the final word on that soon.

 

[priordiver]

I have been reading the Scuba lab reports for many of the new DC models. It is an interesting on-line read that the engineers at Zeagle might want to check out?

See: Digging Deep on 2009's New Dive Computers | Scuba Diving Magazine

The n2ition3 gets good reviews except in the area of the PC log software. Perhaps this could be looked at with a view to improvement? (a friendly suggestion!). Regardless, I have ordered an n2ition3 largely due to the great response I have received from this site! Clearly Zeagle cares about its customers and products which is often rare these days.

FYI, here is a quote from the "less than favorable" review of the PC log software for you folks to look at. Perhaps with a view to do some "upgrade tweaking":

Zeagle N2ition 3

PC Kit: Optional, $154.60
Software Tested: DiveLogBook, Version 1.1
Comments:
This is a very simple and bare bones program. It doesn’t come with a CD so you must download the software from Zeagle’s website, which isn’t a big deal. What could be a big deal to some divers is that I couldn’t get the DC to download on any XP computer; rather, I had to use a Vista computer. Once downloaded, I didn’t find a
lot of detail in the dive logs. Graphs are small and not very useful if you want to study the profile in great depth. Printouts are very basic and contain very little detailed information. It would be nice to have a choice of which information is shown and which is printed. I also could not print a dive index.

*Sherwood, Hollis and Oceanic dive computers use similar software products from a single supplier.


One last question .... The Zeagle website lists the n2ition3 as using the "12 compartment Swiss model algorithm", while the Scuba lab review indicates it uses the "Modified Buhlmann RGBM"!

Which is correct or are they the same thing with different names?

The "new" RGBM model is being touted by Suunto as it's companies latest development. Has Zeagle also adopted this "new" (and sometimes controversial) algorithm?

Thanks to everyone for all the help/patience in answering my questions! I am sure I will enjoy my new n2ition3 when it arrives next week.

Rob

 

[dmainou]

ZHL stands for Zurich Hospital Laboratory which is where Buhlmann developed his algorithms.

google and wikipedia are your friends...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BChlmann_decompression_algorithm

the number after it is the number of compartments. (and no the newer algorithms don't necessarily have more compartments)

If you want to know more search the Rubicon foundation website.

The part of the Zeagle's algorithm that is not disclosed and have never been able to find anything about is the Randy Bohrer modification. Other companies that quote his name (cressi specifically) says that their model was modified by him to be very similar to RGBM.

However, I have not found a single word from Zeagle confirming or denying. (or explaining what kind of adjustments Randy did to the algorithm)

Having said that, I saw the outcome of a multi dive test of a number of computers. They just put them on a slate and dived them all at the same time and with the exception of the last dive N2ition and the Suunto are close to each other. The other thing that can be observed is that the computer is relatively conservative vs peers. It is quite home made but it gives you an indication of what NDL you will obtain from it. Once you go into deco its anyone's guess.

www.scubadiving.com/files/_attachments/Dive_computer_profile.pdf

Zeagle has been mentioned by Bruce Wienke as having/developing an RGBM meter. It may be this one it may not.

Best regards,

D

I have been reading the Scuba lab reports for many of the new DC models. It is an interesting on-line read that the engineers at Zeagle might want to check out?

See: Digging Deep on 2009's New Dive Computers | Scuba Diving Magazine

The n2ition3 gets good reviews except in the area of the PC log software. Perhaps this could be looked at with a view to improvement? (a friendly suggestion!). Regardless, I have ordered an n2ition3 largely due to the great response I have received from this site! Clearly Zeagle cares about its customers and products which is often rare these days.

FYI, here is a quote from the "less than favorable" review of the PC log software for you folks to look at. Perhaps with a view to do some "upgrade tweaking":

Zeagle N2ition 3

PC Kit: Optional, $154.60
Software Tested: DiveLogBook, Version 1.1
Comments:
This is a very simple and bare bones program. It doesn’t come with a CD so you must download the software from Zeagle’s website, which isn’t a big deal. What could be a big deal to some divers is that I couldn’t get the DC to download on any XP computer; rather, I had to use a Vista computer. Once downloaded, I didn’t find a
lot of detail in the dive logs. Graphs are small and not very useful if you want to study the profile in great depth. Printouts are very basic and contain very little detailed information. It would be nice to have a choice of which information is shown and which is printed. I also could not print a dive index.

*Sherwood, Hollis and Oceanic dive computers use similar software products from a single supplier.


One last question .... The Zeagle website lists the n2ition3 as using the "12 compartment Swiss model algorithm", while the Scuba lab review indicates it uses the "Modified Buhlmann RGBM"!

Which is correct or are they the same thing with different names?

The "new" RGBM model is being touted by Suunto as it's companies latest development. Has Zeagle also adopted this "new" (and sometimes controversial) algorithm?

Thanks to everyone for all the help/patience in answering my questions! I am sure I will enjoy my new n2ition3 when it arrives next week.

Rob

 

[priordiver]

Thanks 'D'
The graphs in the pdf document are particularly interesting and allow easy comparison.

Rob

 

[dmainou]

So dear Zeagle and Seiko,

What are you going to do? The software barely works.

There are also issues the ascent speed indicator and the way its displayed (i.e. its barely usable on non deco dives and all but disappears as soon as you go into deco).

All the marketing seems to indicate that (and I quote) "it has all the features of the N2ition 2 plus..."

It seems it doesn't and that, my friends, is misleading.

Auto makers call it "a recall".

I and other users would like a formal answer from our favorite company.

Best regards,

D

 

[gibby_z]

This thread is for download software development and support. I'm fully aware and so is Zeagle that the computer has some issues but if you can please either place your comments on a new or existing thread about the computer itself. I'm not trying to dismiss your comments, they are absolutely valid, but they would be better served elsewhere as well as avoiding clutter of the original topic. I do also know that your comments/complaints have been forwarded directly to the hardware provider to assist Zeagle in finding a reasonable resolution to any issues with the computer. Lets try not to scare Zeagle away from ever releasing another computer again. If anybody can improve on this, they certainly can.


Finally I NEED a 32 bit Vista and Windows 7 tester for the download software.
Please send me your contact information via PM and I will send you the beta test.



PS
As we know Asian product manufacturers will only set forth a 'recall' after 25 divers crash headfirst into a reef.

 

[dmainou]

Dear Gibby,

Mate, I have so much Zeagle gear that its not funny. I love your work. I honestly believe you have good intentions with the computer. No blame or shame on that.

We all understand that the computer is not manufactured by you. I can also understand that at the time of launching it it was supposed to be a fully working product.

I however feel that Seiko does have a lot to answer for and I (and others) probably will appreciate a post from them with some ETA's or some sort of working this through.

Best regards,

D

 

[gibby_z]

I completely understand and agree 100%.
I just want to keep this thread on topic.

It makes it difficult for a user looking for a fix or work-around to the download software if the thread is cluttered with off topic replies.