Chuck... glad to hear that you are doing well now.
I especially like #3.
I especially like #3.
My trip in the Cozumel Chamber (very long)
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Aeolus
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As with many others, I have been following this saga by way of Christi. You are indeed very lucky to have a friend like her in your corner. I wish you a FULL recovery and more happy diving later.
I guess the biggest question I have is: Why should it take several others pressing DAN before they would make the decision to continue treatments to the level of coverage? It still sounds like they were trying to limit payout. It always amazes me that most companies have the procedure to first say NO and then if pushed hard enough, give the attention which should have been there in the first place. This happens all of the time. It seems as though they will refuse service, hoping that a lot of people will just accept that response and go on.
I had a similar experience after some shoulder surgery and dealing with the insurance about the amount physical therapy needed. Everyone EXCEPT the insurance company (surgeon, PT and self) thought that more was required. Never did get them to cover more.
Good luck to you. DSAO.
I guess the biggest question I have is: Why should it take several others pressing DAN before they would make the decision to continue treatments to the level of coverage? It still sounds like they were trying to limit payout. It always amazes me that most companies have the procedure to first say NO and then if pushed hard enough, give the attention which should have been there in the first place. This happens all of the time. It seems as though they will refuse service, hoping that a lot of people will just accept that response and go on.
I had a similar experience after some shoulder surgery and dealing with the insurance about the amount physical therapy needed. Everyone EXCEPT the insurance company (surgeon, PT and self) thought that more was required. Never did get them to cover more.
Good luck to you. DSAO.
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Aeolus:
THAT is the same question I had. When you are in a crisis you really don't need to be pressing the insurance company to get the level of coverage you need.
Tim Ingersoll
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Hey Chuck! Been there brother. I choked up just reading your report. I'm headed back to Coz after my ride in the chamber last Easter. I'm glad you are OK and that you had the cahones to share your experience. Believe me your report will be instructive to many. I reiterate what I said when I took my hit . . .Don't try and figure out what Chuck did wrong!!! Learn what you can do right.
Moester
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I stumbled on this thread, by accident, and must say this story is the better for having been told by the people who experienced it.
Chuck, you are a lucky man to have come through this, and a very gracious to tell your story. I hope a lot of divers who take the sport for granted will read this and take a breath (on the surface) before they run straight to the dock at the start of the short span of their vacation.
Christi, I have never met you, but you are tops in my books. If I get to Cozumel I will sign up with your shop for my dives. You have obviously have got your priorities right, the people are the main focus of your business, not the dollars.
I am leaving in 4 weeks for a vacation in Cuba, where I was eargerly trying to arrange as much diving as I could in the 1 week alloted to me. Chuck has just demonstrated to me I am not invincible, and how foolish of me to think I am.
I have taken a lot for granted, mostly that after 70 dives without incident that I will have no problems on the 71st! Even when diving within the profile and computer safety margins there are factors which only I can take into account, and others that may still surprise me.
Your rules are great Chuck, I have added them to my logbook.
There is no one thing that caused the bends in this case, but a combination of little things all leading up to it. I would caution all who attempt to pinpoint one factor which stands out to stop and look at the big picture.
By the way, thank you for naming names, there are shops that I think should be avoided if they refuse to learn, especially from mistakes.
And again Christi, you do the sport and industry a big service by your involvement in it. Great work! I am sure the staff at Blue XT Sea share your values.
Get well soon, and Thanks for helping us all to be better divers.
Moester
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Chuck, you are a lucky man to have come through this, and a very gracious to tell your story. I hope a lot of divers who take the sport for granted will read this and take a breath (on the surface) before they run straight to the dock at the start of the short span of their vacation.
Christi, I have never met you, but you are tops in my books. If I get to Cozumel I will sign up with your shop for my dives. You have obviously have got your priorities right, the people are the main focus of your business, not the dollars.
I am leaving in 4 weeks for a vacation in Cuba, where I was eargerly trying to arrange as much diving as I could in the 1 week alloted to me. Chuck has just demonstrated to me I am not invincible, and how foolish of me to think I am.
I have taken a lot for granted, mostly that after 70 dives without incident that I will have no problems on the 71st! Even when diving within the profile and computer safety margins there are factors which only I can take into account, and others that may still surprise me.
Your rules are great Chuck, I have added them to my logbook.
There is no one thing that caused the bends in this case, but a combination of little things all leading up to it. I would caution all who attempt to pinpoint one factor which stands out to stop and look at the big picture.
By the way, thank you for naming names, there are shops that I think should be avoided if they refuse to learn, especially from mistakes.
And again Christi, you do the sport and industry a big service by your involvement in it. Great work! I am sure the staff at Blue XT Sea share your values.
Get well soon, and Thanks for helping us all to be better divers.
Moester
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Tim Ingersoll:
Great sentiment Tim. That is the true value of these posts, to help prevent others from having to suffer the same fate.
MN Jeff
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As someone who was on Coz at the same time, and did profiles very similar to Chuck's, this story has really hit home for me. I have been reading up on this board several times a day.
Chuck-
I am so glad that you are on your way to a full recovery. I have a lot of respect for your decision to dive again. I wish you the best.
Christi-
Even before this incident happened, I was impressed with your presence on this board. You always take the time to answer questions for people visiting the island (myself included). I wish we had a dozen more just like you. After hearing what you did for Chuck, my admiration has increased 10 fold. You are a truly wonderful person, and I wish the best for you and much success for your dive op. Thanks!
Chuck-
I am so glad that you are on your way to a full recovery. I have a lot of respect for your decision to dive again. I wish you the best.
Christi-
Even before this incident happened, I was impressed with your presence on this board. You always take the time to answer questions for people visiting the island (myself included). I wish we had a dozen more just like you. After hearing what you did for Chuck, my admiration has increased 10 fold. You are a truly wonderful person, and I wish the best for you and much success for your dive op. Thanks!
Chuck, glad to hear the recovery is going so smoothly.
Have you been tested for a PFO yet? I ask because of the 3 people I personally know that have had aType II case, only one cannot be attributed to a PFO (and that one was effectively a saturation dive). You pegged the dehydration factor, but that is, unfortunately, pretty typical in recreational dives. So, unless you just drew the short straw on that day, there is a fair chance there are other contributing factors. Not trying to beat you up on this. No need to answer. But, I hope you get tested for your sake if you plan to start diving again.
Not to thread hijack, but there are more effective ways to spend 8 minutes reducing your DCS risk than just picking two stop depths. I will elaborate in a new thread if anyone actually wants to hear it.
Have you been tested for a PFO yet? I ask because of the 3 people I personally know that have had aType II case, only one cannot be attributed to a PFO (and that one was effectively a saturation dive). You pegged the dehydration factor, but that is, unfortunately, pretty typical in recreational dives. So, unless you just drew the short straw on that day, there is a fair chance there are other contributing factors. Not trying to beat you up on this. No need to answer. But, I hope you get tested for your sake if you plan to start diving again.
Not to thread hijack, but there are more effective ways to spend 8 minutes reducing your DCS risk than just picking two stop depths. I will elaborate in a new thread if anyone actually wants to hear it.
RTodd:
I think I know where you are going with that. I think it would be a great discussion.
Hooked4Life
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MN Jeff:
Couldnt have said it better myself !! Impressed with the general compassion for the sport and the people in it. Cant wait to dive with you this weekend ! You should be proud of your accomplishments !!
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