My Non-Certification Experience

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Thank-you everyone for your supportive and informative replies!

Right now we're looking at the Sunset House on Grand Cayman. I'll check out the other site mentioned above as well.

I'll also get some pool time in, practicing equalizing in the deep end. That's a great idea.

Thanks again, everyone.
Matt
 
Matt,

It sounds to me as if the instructor and the shop dropped the ball.

You mentioned how a person can drown in a teaspoon of water. It doesn't take much water to drown in, but it does take more than a teaspoon. It isn't that easy. Now, getting a teaspoon down your airway can be extremely unpleasant. The trick there is to not panic. Panic can kill you.

Your problems with mask clearing are common. My wife, an inactive instructor, tells me that mask clearing is the hardest skill for most divers. Oddly enough, most people do not like getting their faces wet. Getting comfortable with mask clearing and taking the mask off and putting it back on can be done in the pool. It just takes time and drill.

Clearing the ears is another thing. I had a really hard time clearing my ears on my first dives. Also, ear damage is the most common diver injury so it is good to learn this one. Unfortunately, most pools are not really deep enough to practice this one that well. I finally learned a trick that worked on my ears. Strangely enough, it takes far less to clear my ears now then it did when I was starting.

Achieving neutral buoyancy is not something most divers pick up in open water. In facts, one of the easiest ways to spot an experienced diver is checking their buoyancy skills. Many divers never pick it up. It takes time and effort. One of the things to realize is that there is a lag time from when you adjust your buoyancy and when it has its effect. So you can often overshoot one way or the other resulting in sinking or floating but never hovering. Learning buoyancy is a really good thing to do. But I wouldn't expect you to learn it until you have a fair bit more experience.

Another thing is when you put on your gear, it is hard to see where you stuff is especially when you have a mask on. Masks kind of destroy your peripheral vision. So you need to learn where things are by touch. You also need to learn how to identify things by touch. It takes time and repetition. It is also a good idea to put things in the same place every time. If you move things around on your BC, you are likely to forget where they are.

I wouldn't worry. Learn to be comfortable and relaxed in the water. Take things slowly. Inform your dive master about your limitations. Most dive master like to know about these things. That way they might be able to avoid putting you into a situation that you can't handle.

Some people take more time to learn things than others and that is OK. It sounds to me as if you had a bad experience. Most dive professionals are more helpful. Blaming a student who is struggling really is pretty counter productive. As I said, they dropped the ball. Your problems are not unusual.
 
i've always had trouble with wax in my ears -- so that can affect clearing -- I try to make sure it's all cleaned out at least a day or 2 prior to doing any diving (scuba or free-diving). My instructor suggested to take a decongestant the night before to help clear out any minor congestion i/you might have that isn't noticeable out of the water, but might affect being able to clear properly. (notice i said night before - not right before the dive)
 
Just a couple of small notes:

1) I did my first OW class in cold water with double 7mm exposure protection (on torso anyway). Then I went on to dive in warm water (where I planned to do my near-future diving). I found that much easier because it kind of eliminated a variable. In other words, I could concentrate on my buoyancy learning without the exposure protection adding to the "problem."

2) I had a very hard time equalizing in my classes (even in the pool), and for my first ~15 dives I always had this question in my mind about whether I would even be able to make a given dive, because.... could I equalize? I read a small tip here on SB and it made all the difference; since then I have been able to equalize on every dive, with only a couple of slight issues that were easily solved.

That tip was to "pre-inflate" my ears on the surface, before putting my head in the water. In the same way that going too deep/too fast without equalizing makes it harder, apparently so does just putting your head in the water -- i.e. it's harder to equalize once you are "behind" on it. (This makes sense of course; but I had never thought to pre-inflate my eustachian tubes.)

Now I always make sure to clear my ears just before my head goes beneath the surface, and seems to have made all the difference. In my mind I think of it as "I never have to "un-flatten" my eustachian tubes because they don't get "flattened" in the first place." <--may not be anatomically correct but this is how I think of it.

Blue Sparkle
 
I will say you had bad instructors. Bad for you. For someone else perhaps not. But with the issues you had I would not go back to that shop. If indeed they took the attitude that they did it sounds like what you ran into was a get em in, get em done operation. IF the student is ok with everything and a quick learner those types of places can turn out people that may pass for divers. Had you done OW with me there would have been a minimum of 6 pool sessions with 8 more likely. The first session would have been devoted to swimming, snorkeling, and skin diving. During the snorkeling and skin diving you would have been taught how to equalize and clear the mask in stages. My the end of the night the last task would have been to place the mask and snorkel on the pool bottom in the deep end, move away from it and surface. Then you'd dive down and swim to it and put it on and have it clear and the snorkel breathable as your head cleared the water. If you did not get it the first session we'd start with that the next one. Only after you were comfortable clearing the mask while skin diving would we move to scuba.

On scuba we begin with breathing on the surface and just placing your face in the water without the mask. Then we move to doing it with the mask. Then before we drop down to the bottom in the shallow end we do a proper weight check. Followed by a horizontal descent to the bottom in the shallow end as you gently equalize with every breath. We then settle down on the bottom on our stomachs and just breathe. Relax and breathe. Then I will have you take the inflator and put very small bursts of air in until you begin to rise and fall. Then we'd move to the slope in the pool and get just a bit deeper. Again I'd have you work the inflator and get used to operating and finding it. At this point we'd get you horizontal with just your fin tips touching and then we start to work on mask clearing. Allow a small amount of water in. Clear it. Allow about a 1/4 of the mask to fill. Clear it. Go for a little swim and return to the slope. Get in position and let it fill halfway up. Clear it. Then all the way. Clear it. Little swim. Back to the slope. Remove the mask and replace it. take two breaths with it full. then clear it.

Then remove and replace it again. Then a swim and during the swim let it fill or remove and replace while swimming.

Every pool session starts with removing and replacing the mask. By the time you hit OW you've done it a minimum of 20-25 times. I won't even address the other issues tonite. Too many and I've got plans. I will be back tomorrow and take a look at those.
 
Sometimes the problem is Classes have a mix of those that take to it fast and are chomping at the bit to move ahead faster & those that need to move a a slower more methodical pace.We see it in classrooms with kids & its no different with adults. Unfortunately some teachers do not work well keeping the speedy folks from getting frustrated while giving the slower the attention that they need (and deserve). Although I think the classroom part would have made your comfort level higher, more time talking with fellow students and getting to know the instructor(him getting to know your backround) I would suggest snorkeling as much as possible to get used to haveing your face in the water and breathing through a mouthpiece ,also it might give you time in a wetsuit so as to minimize those feeling of claustrophobia. Dont give up as it wasnt a great learning experience but, it does give you a good insight into your weak points and what you do feel comfortable with.Armed with this knowledge this next time will be a much more pleasant experience.
 
Given what you have posted, I would be VERY wary about setting up your next try at a resort. Resort classes are often designed to get people through as fast as possible (who wants to be in class in paradise?) and economics often mandate very high student to instructor ratios.

If I were you, I would investigate some more local operations. Tell them about your experience and problems, and see if you can arrange to repeat the pool work at home. You can do the open water dives by referral, if you like, if you don't want to have the cold water experience again. But I'd highly recommend redoing the pool stuff in a setting where you have lots and lots of time to repeat things until you are fully comfortable with them, before you go to open water again.
 
The problem with choosing a class based on agency alone is that you have no idea how good the instructor is going to be...or whether the pace of the class will match your pace of learning.

The quality of your learning experience will be directly related to the quality of the instruction. You want to get the best instructor possible regardless of his/her agency affiliation. Ask around locally and here on ScubaBoard. Talk to local divers. Join a local scuba club. Experienced divers will be able to direct you to a good instructor. Heck, interview the instructor before signing up for the class. I realize that most dive shops don't have things set up this way, but you need to be assertive in directing the process. After all, it's your learning experience that's at stake.

It does sound as though you would have a better experience in a private or semi-private scuba class. Larger classes mean that the instructor has less time to spend with each individual student and, with the design of modern scuba classes, there's very little wiggle room to accommodate students who don't "get" the skills right away. On a separate but related note, most instructors don't give students enough repetitions with the skills to achieve proficiency, much less "mastery." That's just a consequence of the way some agency standards are written, how the instructors interpret those standards, and the time pressure placed on the instructors by the shop to push students through the certification process.

You need to be in good physical shape to dive safely. This means that diving (including walking to and from the water's edge on a shore dive) should not be the most strenuous activity in your life. If it is, that's a clear sign that you should be stepping up your aerobic and strength workouts. For what it's worth, schlepping dive gear around will get easier with practice. Moreover, as you gain experience in the water, you'll learn to be more efficient with your fin kicks and other aspects of diving.

Sounds like you sustained a case of middle ear barotrauma. It's quite common in scuba students. As others have mentioned, you need to equalize early and often during initial descent. Pre-pressurizing at the surface can help. Instructors typically don't spend enough time explaining all of the different techniques for ear equalization. The hold-your-nose-and-blow-against-a-closed-glottis (Valsalva) technique never worked well for me. I prefer the Roydhouse maneuver.

With some practice, you'll get the hang of establishing neutral buoyancy and hovering. Every beginner starts off learning how to hover by taking shallow breaths, which we all know isn't "normal" breathing. As you gain experience, you'll learn to set neutral buoyancy using your BCD at the middle of your breathing cycle (midpoint of tidal volume). Then, as you exhale/inhale normally, you'll be oscillating around that point of neutral buoyancy. Since there's a slight delay between when you inhale and when you rise in the water column (or when you exhale and sink), you can time your breathing so that the oscillation is dampened somewhat. With the proper timing, it is possible to breathe normally (with normal or near-normal tidal volume) without moving up/down too much in the water column.

For what it's worth, I think you made some good decisions during your OW training. You did the right thing getting out of your wetsuit during the surface interval in order to warm up. This is a luxury you have during shore dives (vs. being on a crowded dive boat). You should also be commended for having the courage to abort the dive when you found yourself too exhausted to conduct Dive #2 safely.

With regard to the perceived dinner snub, chances are, the diver you asked to notify you about dinner plans just forgot to call you. Or, maybe he thought you weren't going to be spending the second night at the hotel since you aborted Dive #2. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Best of luck with everything...
 
Given what you have posted, I would be VERY wary about setting up your next try at a resort. Resort classes are often designed to get people through as fast as possible (who wants to be in class in paradise?) and economics often mandate very high student to instructor ratios.

If I were you, I would investigate some more local operations. ....

I don't really want to do another cold-water dive, with the thick wet suit and extra weights. I'll talk with the instructors at the resorts we're looking at before we book to see if they are willing to be patient. Also, I'll inquire about private classes to see if they're available and how much they'll cost.

In retrospect, there were red flags with the people at the dive shop. If I had just paid attention to them, I would have gone somewhere else.

On the other hand, despite the fact that I didn't finish my open-water dive, I did learn a great deal, and most of the experience was positive. So it was time well spent.

Even if I had gotten certified, I would have wanted to do another class in the Caribbean, because there's no way I am ready to dive on my own.
 
For what it's worth, I think you made some good decisions during your OW training. You did the right thing getting out of your wetsuit during the surface interval in order to warm up.

Oh really? Well good, I'm glad to hear that.

You should also be commended for having the courage to abort the dive when you found yourself too exhausted to conduct Dive #2 safely.

My wife and I are both doctors. As a doctor, I had to honestly say that I wouldn't sign a medical release saying that I was safe to dive at that point.

With regard to the perceived dinner snub, chances are, the diver you asked to notify you about dinner plans just forgot to call you. Or, maybe he thought you weren't going to be spending the second night at the hotel since you aborted Dive #2. I wouldn't read too much into it.

You know what, I bet you're right. Thanks!
 

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