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You make some good points, but you may be underestimating the skills of the dms & captains. They have a pretty good idea of who is going to need “assistance” just from how they handle themselves on the boat. Heck, I can too to a certain extent, and they do it for a living (also most divers are honest…sometimes brutally so…TMI 😳). Plus it’s nothing to drop over the sand a short swim from most of the standard sites. It gives dms a chance to “evaluate “ new to them divers and experienced divers on their first dives of the trip a chance to sort their $h!t all without inconveniencing others on the boat. Pretty seamless, actually. All IMHO, YMMV (depending on your choice of dive op). :clearmask::bounce::bounce:
I can tell after just a few minutes in the water with them if there are divers I will need to give more space, not follow in a swimthrough, etc. My wife and I have specific hand signs for that. DMs can tell pretty quickly who will need watching and who should not go to challenging sites.
 
i agree with you guys 100%.
i am just saying that if a check out dive (an easy shallow dive) is not a requirement, then you may find out at 100 feet at punta sur that someone is not ready. maybe the diver themselves did not realize they were not ready. kinda late now right.
i hope no one is getting the wrong impression form my comments. i am not in any way saying this lost diver was not competent. and i am certainly not saying that the shop or guides were not competent either.
i was merely offering an opinion on the post that said all respectable ops vet divers.
i guess the real question is, how exactly do you vet a diver without actually seeing them dive? the answer is, you can't.
so hopefully most shops take new divers to a less challenging location to see what they can do before allowing them on a more advanced site. i hope most do this. but i know some do not. and i mean that as a general statement based on the number of locations i have personally been to. not just about coz.
 
I had one experience in a strong downcurrent in Cozumel years ago.

I've been diving Cozumel for about 35 years, with some long gaps between, about maybe 8 to 10 visits. First time diving there was I think, around 1988 and I went with Aqua Safari (they were good enough, I knew no better), did Dive With Martin on the next trip (I was not impressed). Next trip (years later, maybe early 2000s) I was with my wife and we decided to try a "boutique" dive op, and we went with Living Underwater based on recs from this board.

We loved diving with Jeremy. After meeting us at our hotel the night before our first dive, we chatted, handed over our gear, talked about our experience. At that point I had been diving for 10 years (not frequently, but I grew up with a snorkel in my mouth and am very comfortable in the water) and had more than a little experience. My wife had some post certification dives in Hawaii and Thailand, but was still pretty inexperienced. Jeremy told us we would need to do a checkout dive first the next day. I was fine with that, my wife got a little huffy, but eventually said OK (that's how she rolls sometime, and other resort dive ops she had been with never needed anything other than a glance at her C card and her signature on the liability waiver form).

So next day we did a checkout dive in a sandy shallow spot, demonstrating boyancy, remove-the-mask drills, regulator recovery, etc., really basic OW cert stuff. My wife did perfectly well, although extra-fine boyancy control was something she still needed to work on (even I could see this, certainly Jeremy did). I chuckled and went along (Hey, I was underwater in Cozumel, so happy enough). In fact, my wife did need to brush up on those basic skills. Jeremy was patient, supportive, helpful, and gave her the attention and time she needed to relax, get comfortable in the water again, and demonstrate/refresh her skills. He was absolutely right to require us (well, maybe her, but it was always referred to "us" together) to go through all that before we went diving the next day. We did, and my wife did just fine. We were having a blast.

A few days later in the week, we had an interesting experience on one dive.

I don't recall the location. There was some decent current, as is typical in Cozumel, but nothing that seemed extreme. We were diving along some wall, I think we had just 4 divers in the water, plus 2 DMs. One of them was Jeremy, he was with me and my wife - not hovering right on top of us, but nearby, pointing out critters.

We were cruising along a wall, probably around 70-80 feet, comfortable, enjoying the dive. All of a sudden, I noticed sharp pain in my ears, which immediately seemed wrong, since we had been moving along the wall laterally and my ears had cleared fine when we started the dive. Ouch, more ear pain, I cleared my ears again, then spun around to look for my wife, and did not see her - I was surprised to see I was densely surrounded by tiny bubbles, going up, or maybe down, I couldn't tell, maybe the bubbles and I were moving together. I felt quite disoriented, took a look at my depth gauge - I had just passed through 100 feet, and was sinking. And things were getting darker (literally, and now I realize, figuratively, too). Colder, too. Things were happening fast and I was getting way too deep. I started finning hard to try and stop sinking. With my right hand I reached for and was fumbling with my inflator hose, my left hand was fumbling with the weight-pocket release pull on my BCD.

Before I managed to either press the inflator button or dump weights, I felt a very sharp tug on my leg. WTF?! My guage was showing 120 feet and dropping. I looked down, and saw Jeremy below me, reaching up with his hand around my ankle - he then pulled himself up (or pulled me down) and grabbed my BCD sternum strap across my chest - tightly (this wasn't a gentle tug, this was "the deathgrip of authority"). Very confused, I looked at him and then saw his other hand was firmly gripping my wife's tank strap, as she was below him (she was still attached to her tank). So he had me in one hand above him, and her in his other hand, below. He had apparently grabbed her and hauled her up to where I was (around 120 feet), she was dangling below him. He looked very busy.

His hands full, he locked eyes on me, gave me a hard look, nodded his head upward - and away from the wall, out towards the open water. I also saw his eyes flash to my hand on the weight pocket dump string and then to my other hand over the inflator hose button. He shook his head gently side-to-side, and looked at me again. I nodded back firmly to acknowledge. All this transpired in just a couple seconds, but the messages seemed pretty clear. I took my hand off my weight dump string, kept the other one off (but near) the inflator button. We all finned up and outward, away from the wall. In a few seconds, it seemed we popped out of it, in relatively calm water, slowly finning upward and away from the wall. Depth gauge showed about 110 feet. Jeremy let go of me first, turned to my wife, she signaled OK, then let go of her (but kept his eyes on her and stayed close, I noticed). We all slowly and calmly finned up to 90, 80, 70 feet. We stopped there and settled down for a moment, checked air, boyancy (and heart rate...), all good, everyone OK.

We could see the other pair of divers with the other DM in the distance, they were still happily cruising along the wall, had not been sucked down, and had not even noticed us. Jeremy, me, and my wife began a gradual ascent while drifting laterally along the wall, we went up to 30-ish feet and continued the dive just for a short while, before heading up for a long safety stop.

We get back on the boat, Jeremy is all business, all matter-of-fact, quietly handing out dry towels and water bottles, helping us stow our gear. Me: "Well, THAT was certainly interesting, wasn't it?" My wife: "That was crazy! What happened?" Jeremy just smiled, paused, and quietly said, "Yes, it was interesting. Mother nature was testing us today. We passed." Then he handed us some snacks, and went back to tidying the boat.

I'll dive with that guy forever.
 
The down currents in cozumel are so common, yet not once have I heard anyone cry about getting caught in an up current. I wonder why... Those must not exist or they're so rare they only occur during a solar eclipse 🙄🙄

I'm not going to call BS on down currents altogether but seems to me, if down currents were so strong that even an experienced diver was at their mercy, we would have lost a lot of DMs. They are out there 100x more than even veteran Cozumel tourists. And if you say well the DMs are just so good that they can always get out of it, then we should still be hearing tons of stories from tourists who observed their DM get suddenly pulled down before he escaped.
 
Do you tell a story exactly the same way every time? That would be boring, wouldn't it? I agree that him busting out laughing and saying,"No way, gringo" is funnier, but the way I told it today is likely a bit more accurate. He was really nice to me and he taught me a lot when I first started diving 29 years ago. If google is to be believed he is still around - Darwin Zapata.
I had a friend who used to say, "Any story worth telling is worth embellishing." And, "I've told that story so many times I no longer know if it is true or not."
 
After reading a bit on the forums today and hearing about down currents, I would really like to learn more about this topic. How to recognize, avoid, escape, survive them. Can someone tell me a good resource to learn more about this? At this point in my diving, I have never been diving in water where the bottom wasn't easily within my sight or grasp. As I dive more, learn more and eventually find myself in deeper water, I want to be sure I will enjoy myself, be relatively safe and prepared and return unharmed to my wife.
 
After reading a bit on the forums today and hearing about down currents, I would really like to learn more about this topic. How to recognize, avoid, escape, survive them. Can someone tell me a good resource to learn more about this? At this point in my diving, I have never been diving in water where the bottom wasn't easily within my sight or grasp. As I dive more, learn more and eventually find myself in deeper water, I want to be sure I will enjoy myself, be relatively safe and prepared and return unharmed to my wife.
I just got a Like on my 2007 post with a link to an Undercurrent article on downwellings, See Down Currents Cozumel
 
After reading a bit on the forums today and hearing about down currents, I would really like to learn more about this topic. How to recognize, avoid, escape, survive them. Can someone tell me a good resource to learn more about this? At this point in my diving, I have never been diving in water where the bottom wasn't easily within my sight or grasp. As I dive more, learn more and eventually find myself in deeper water, I want to be sure I will enjoy myself, be relatively safe and prepared and return unharmed to my wife.
In light of this incident, someone recently started a thread on this over here: DOWN CURRENTS -Any with true real-life experience?. I especially liked John Bantin's reference to an article in Undercurrent. I posted a reply in that thread, listing a sampling of prior threads discussing the topic. So, I would start with that thread, and then read the old threads. Loads of good information on how to recognize and deal with downcurrents.
 
Not making light of the situation, but there is no way someone next to a wall got dragged down quickly without realizing it, not unless they are blind. 80% of a wall dive, you are looking towards the wall, and certainly would turn that direction if disoriented. Secondly, I am not afraid of going down fast. I am afraid of going up fast. If I am dragged down fast and end up in deco, my dive master will get mad at me, and rightly so. But that is the biggest risk. Exit current, ascend a meter every 2 seconds, maybe you save your dive, maybe you end it, but your life should not be at risk.

Something bad happened here, and it might be someone's fault or no one's at all. But the stories don't make any sense.
 
Secondly, I am not afraid of going down fast. I am afraid of going up fast. If I am dragged down fast and end up in deco, my dive master will get mad at me, and rightly so.
The problem isn't just that you're going deep fast, it's going too deep and getting narc'd off your gourd. Diving dry you'd risk substantial squeeze and then inability to react. Going from 50 to >130 fsw in a few seconds would be ridiculous.
 

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