Minimum requirements for tech courses

[Bennno]

OK, then. What is the correct number of dives - with that being the ONLY thing you know about a diver - for you to judge them ready to begin tech training?

You are kidding right? Have you even read what I wrote? I already said that there is no magic number like 3 times in this thread.

 

[Seya]

There has to be a magic number in order for businesses to operate. They have picked 25 or 50. That's life deal with it or start your own agency. They have passing requirements for courses sometimes people pass that shouldn't but nothing will change that. As an instructor your not forced to take in a student so you can have whatever requirement you want for your classes

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[phoenix31tt]

I understand that experience plays a part in tech diving... But there is no way to know a divers true experience without assessing said diver yourself... He could do thousands of dives and still fail as a tech diver...

If you want to go by probability you can say it is more likely for a person with more dives to be more ready for tech diving, however an agency shouldn't handicap or disadvantage divers that do not meet a minimum number of dives that mean nothing...

Let the instructor do the weeding out... Assessment and recommendation... You either do a fundies or intro to tech or more dives if you don't meet the instructors requirements... Or if the instructor determines you can do the remedial work during the course... It is part of the course after all.. Working on trim etc

I wonder how much dives the guys in that video did (couldn't bare to watch the entire video) but I'm guessing it was more than 25


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[Bennno]

@Seya
Whatever man, how many times have I repeated myself now? You and your buddies go ahead, do trimix, ccr, caves and what not, once you've done your 25th or 30th dive and feel like the bad asses.
Why even 30 dives, at 30 dives you might already be overqualified, according to your logic experience doesn't matter... why not start cave or trimix class right after the OWD, you wouldn't be the first one to do it.

I really hope nothing is going to happen to you and the other 'great' divers. I also hope I'll never be on the same boat or in the same cave with these 'great' diver that have no experience to speak of but have spend a lot of money on courses.
You got it all figured out buddy. And since we all know that nobody ever got hurt diving when they did something they weren't ready for, everything is fine and dandy. Thanks for helping to raise awareness that 'tec' diving can be dangerous and is not for people that just started the sport.

 

[phoenix31tt]

@bennno... You seem to be taking things extra personal... I think all the divers commenting here have more than 50 dives lol... I'm on my phone so I can't check... We aren't going to kill ourselves don't worry... Well I'm not at least


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[RJP]

You are kidding right? Have you even read what I wrote? I already said that there is no magic number like 3 times in this thread.

You seemed to have indicated that there was a meaningful difference between 20 and 200. If there's no "magic" number... how do you know that 20 isn't enough? I'm not saying that it IS enough... but I have no way of stating unequivocally that it isn't.

 

[Bennno]

@bennno... You seem to be taking things extra personal...We aren't going to kill ourselves don't worry...

It really annoys me that people like Seya and other geniuses think it's a good idea for people with 30 dives to go deco diving. People obviously don't realize that a bunch divers have actually killed themselves because they overestimated how good they are... there is no such thing as a great diver at 30 dives, someone might be good for only having 30 dives but in the great scheme of thinks they all suck more or less!

And it's not only the training standards for students. Check the PADI or TDI minimum standards for Trimix Instructors! They are a joke. Only 20 trimix dives to become a trimix instructor! Who wants to take a course with a guy that has done only 20 times what he is teaching now... seriously?
All this is for financial reasons, obviously.
That really pisses me off... as you can tell. Now there are a bunch of people that are defending stuff like that... and that pisses me off even more.

 

[boulderjohn]

I saw a diver on another thread talking about taking PADI Tec 40, noticed he only had 25-50 dives, and then went to check the course requirements. I was surprised to find that PADI only requires 30 logged dives, together with AOW, Deep Diver, 10 dives to 30m, and 10 dives on EAN.

Yes, that is what allows you to get started on the PADI Tec 40 class. Once you go through the pretty considerable class requiements, you will be allowed to do very minor decompression dives to 40 meters, with a maximum of 10 minutes of decompression.

If you want to go on to get a little below recreational depths and use oxygen for decompression, then you have to take Tec 45. To start that class, you need to be a Rescue Diver with a minimum of 50 dives, with at least 12 on nitrox and 6 at a depth of 30 meters or more.

If you want to go a little deeper and use two decompression gases, you need Tec 50. To start the Tec 50 class, you must be a Rescue Diver with at least 100 dives, with at least 20 on nitrox and at least 15 to a depth of 30 meters or more.

But, as I said, none of that matters. You have to demonstrate the skills to pass the class. The class lists a set of required dives, but if you can't demonstrate the skills adequately on those dives, then you are going to be doing more of them. I am certainly not going to pass a student who I feel is at risk doing the dives for which he or she is being certified.

I personally don't care all that much what a student looks like starting a class. If I see during our first pool session that the student is going to need some extra help to meet the course requirements, then we will talk about it. The Tec 40 class I have that is just starting has some pool sessions scheduled to begin with, then there is a big gap of time before the next in water work. Why? It is to give the students time to get in the water on their own to practice what we worked on in the pool. After that, I will play things by ear, watching their progress and scheduling next steps accordingly. I don't know what adjustments I will have to make in order for the students to be successful, but making those decisions is why they are paying me.

 

[phoenix31tt]

It really annoys me that people like Seya and other geniuses think it's a good idea for people 30 dives to go deco diving. People obviously don't realize that a bunch divers have actually killed themselves because they overestimated how good they are... there is no such thing as a great diver at 30 dives, someone might be good for only having 30 dives but in the great scheme of thinks they all suck more or less!

But that's all you seem to be seeing... Nobody is saying a person with 30 dives are great divers... They are saying 30 dives doesn't preclude them from being good enough to become a great diver during the training...

I've read about many very experienced divers dying as well... Despite all the experience and training... For many different reasons... If you could be so kind could you point out some examples of tech divers, who've had less than 50 dives, passing tech training then dying shortly thereafter doing a tech dive?...


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[boulderjohn]

It really annoys me that people like Seya and other geniuses think it's a good idea for people 30 dives to go deco diving.

Let's try it again.

The 30 dive requirement allows you do start training to become a decompression diver. It is not the requirement for certification. Once you are certified in that course, you are certified to do a maximum of 10 minutes of decompresion within recreational diving depth limits. They aren't diving the Britannic.