MI Dive Industry: Wake Up!

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rickydazla

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OK, I've been thinking about this for a long while and thought I'd share with everyone on here. Before I start I'll give you a bit of my own personal background though (very brief, I promise). I'm English. I trained as an instructor in Australia and then set up and oversaw the operation of several dive shops in Fiji over the following three years. I married a lovely lady from Michigan, moved back and started working at Bruno's in Clinton Township, teaching classes and running his charters for him as well as doing a little online marketing and promotion...

Right. Ready?

Michigan. In some economic strife. Businesses feeling the pinch, yes?
Michigan. Great Lakes. Wrecks. Shed loads of diving, yes?
Michigan. Dive shops and charters. Small businesses. Could do with more tourism, yes?
So, if we're all agreed on the above then why is there so much bitching and petty scrapping amongst the local dive shops, so very little collaboration and why is diving in Michigan (which is reasonably widely recognised within the industry as being great) marketed so little?

An Illustrative Example of the latter
My parents came over in June last year. We went to Traverse City and the Sleeping Bear Dunes, went into the visitors center and what I noticed was pretty typical. Here you have a big tourist information center: 5 minute video presentation, exhibit, models, gift shop... the works. However, despite the fact that there is excellent wreck diving just off of the dunes in the Manitou Passage Underwater Preserve and there being two dive shops/charters in the area? I'll tell you:

a) The video presentation waxed lyrically about the dunes and the activities on offer - we saw a fishing charter, people jetskiing, swimming, kayaking... Anyone diving? No. Giant striding off a boat? No. Any mention at all of diving. Not one.

b) The exhibit has a model of the passage complete with little plastic shipwrecks poking up from the surface. Any mention of these wrecks. Oh yes, and lots and LOTS of books in the gift shop too - fiction and non-fiction. Any wreck diving guides? Of course not.

c) There's a big brochure rack with fishing charter flyers and cards and all manner of other local businesses. Any dive charter flyers? You guessed it. Not one. Not even printed on cheap paper and ripped into thirds.

It's pathetic. Really. And the more I see of Michigan and the more "dive industry folk" I encounter, the more it saddens me.

Another Illustrative Example
I have been actively involved in revamping Bruno's website and I think I've done an OK job (all criticism more than welcomed btw). The next logical step after rebulding it was to market it a bit. Since we regularly dive the Sanilac Shores wrecks I figured I would see about getting an advert on the Preserve website. Done. It's been there for at least 6 months. At the recent show in Chicago we were made aware that there had been a lot of griping about the fact that our ad was on the site under all the preserve pages (other than just Sanilac). 2 facts here: 1) We can pull are boat out of the water and will drive it anywhere for anyone who wants to charter it to do so. 2) We paid for the ad.

What is wrong with these bitchers and moaners? They can put their ad on the pages fairly simply; pay the money and email them a gif. Job done. In fact, go right ahead, it's only the right thing to do. More coverage for the advertiser, more money for the preserve and long term maybe as a result more marketing and more dive tourism and then everyone's a winner. Simplistic yes, but even the basics aren't happening.

And this is my issue. Right now in the Detroit Metro area, virtually every dive shop slags off the others. Instructors spread false rumours about other instructors and stores to their students. Charter operators at worst cut each others moorings and at best are unwilling to pitch in together and create a better system of keeping them all maintained. No one lobbies for anything that isn't going to benefit them directly and certainly not if it's going to benefit someone else too. I am yet to see one visitor/tourist info center with a copy of the Michigan Divers Guide, let alone anything in any of the exhibits related to diving and dive charters. I am also yet to see one with a single ****ing pice of paper promoting someone's store or charter!

Seriously, I'll say it again. It's pathetic. And it does you NO GOOD.

In order to elavate scuba diving to the point where it is on the state-wide marketing agenda and gets apportioned some budget (and there is clearly budget there - those monstrous billboard ads with the "Pure Michigan" taglines that you see in Illinois and Ohio don't come cheap) there needs to be collaboration. Have a look at Michigan's website and do a little tool around for anything scuba related - there are some bits there but only if you really dig for it.

In all the magazines that I know you read you'll see some collaborative advertising. All those little Bahamian dive shops can't afford a double page spread in Rodale's Scuba Diving so the Bahamian tourist board buys the space and splits the cost with the individual shops. I've seen the same thing for various other countries and I'm sure you have too. The same could be done for the Great Lakes surely but not the way things are now.

OK, rant over. I won't make any apologies. Please see this as a view from someone with fresh eyes who would like to see the situation improve.

Cheers


Rick
 
OK, rant over. I won't make any apologies. Please see this as a view from someone with fresh eyes who would like to see the situation improve.

Rick,
You make some very good points and I couldn't agree with you more. Not to make excuses, as your points are well made, however in Traverse City the wreck diving is not promoted for a few logical reasons. The wrecks around the Manitou's are a ways off shore, not very spectacular and cannot sustain a local charter service. One local dive shop does semi-promote it and has offered it's own charters out there but the demand is low. That is really beside the point. Traverse City is a vacation destination that has received national recognition and within a 2 1/2 hour driving distance there is some of the best wreck diving in the world, in both Lake Michigan and Lake Huron. There is way too much pettyness between shops and charters, but that may not be unique to Michigan. When there is competition for the same pool of divers by shops offering the same products and services the stage has been set for nit-picking among one another. I agree that if shops/charters would work together mabe that pool of divers would widen considerably. Do you have a realistic solution to propose?
Good post.
 
My local dive shop wen't out of buisness, they did nothing to promote the local diving and they even had a boat. I think they were more interested in the travel. You know the deal, overcharge several paying customers for a carribean trip so your trip is free. It's like when they closed I was happy I didn't have to shop there any more.
 
Last year Travel Michigan hosted a Northwoods Vacation media tour of Northern Lower Michigan for travel journalists and scuba diving was included. I think if local dive areas want to promote their area they need to coordinate with the travel organizations.

Just as important is to make sure there are charter and air fill services available locally. I love diving Whitefish Point but it is a bring your own gas dive destination basically. You can get air but not nitrox or trimix locally. There is some great diving in Michigan but for people used to warm water diving where everything is taken care of, there are only a few places in Michigan like that.
 
Ironically, I approached our local CVB in November wondering why the local diving was not promoted on their tourism website. They were unaware of the potential of bringing dive charters to the area. After I educated them, they added a web page to their site (Lake Michigan Shipwrecks - Holland Michigan) which points to MSRA's web site for info on the wrecks, and to the only Holland-based, USCG-licensed charter service. They didn't charge the dive shop anything and I don't even think he's a member of the CVB or the Chamber yet.

I think if other shops, charters and related groups would approach their local CVBs, chambers of commerce, bookstores and other businesses with a compelling story of the economic impact of promoting shipwrecks, local history, etc., they would be surprised at the positive response.

As for the shops bickering, It's been that way as long as I've bene diving (37 years). The egos in that business are incredible. There are more divers and ex-divers who will "never do business with THAT guy again" than there are loyal shop patrons out there. Way too many shop owners have burned through relationships like they didn't matter at all.

The true winners that I have met are all humble, giving and sharing individuals. They don't confuse confidence with bravada. They exude trust, not machismo. They are rare, but they do exist.
 
This story seems familiar. Wasn't it a group in Travers City that was promoting dive tourism?

Yet another collection of people seemed to be going against dive tourism:

June 22, 2007
Won’t this increase diving tourism in Michigan?
PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE OF MARKET CONDITIONS.......This is doubtful...... The proponents have offered only speculation to support this...... Foreign travel to warm climates has become very popular and cheap...... Many dive shops orient much of their marketing to this year round group...... Michigan also has a dive season of only 3 – 3 ½ months...... The southern United States, Caribbean and other warm water destinations are open year round and attractive to casual divers.....The USA is not the only country with this experience.....The same has occurred in the United Kingdom.

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June 22, 2007
Did 6000 divers go to the Alger preserve in 1994 and 1995 (each year)?
NOT LIKELY. IT IS NOT RELIABLY CONFIRMED AND ONLY AN UNSCIENTIFIC "GUESS"......Some proponents cite this number from a “study”...... But this number is not reliable....... It is drawn from a Michigan Sea Grant study prepared to measure how much an individual diver spends in the local community for charters, meals, lodging and the like....... The local community asked for a total contribution by divers....... Because there were no reliable numbers for this and it was not surveyed by the person preparing the study, he told them to “estimate” this number....... The “6000” is an unscientific “guess”.......This information was confirmed with the study’s author in a letter dated June 2007 from the author verifying this.......Another fact that shows that this is not reliable (or provided no real benefit) is that Census Bureau statatiscs for the decade of the 1980's shows that Alger county 1)population declined, 2)median household income decreased;and 3) family household income decreased.


Copied from News about Michigan Underwater Preserves

At least someone is trying to promote dive tourism in Michigan!

I may be hundreds of miles away (Nevada), but I do know that the dive season for Michiganders is 9 months (more for those hearty ice divers). For vacationers (from Florida, Arizona and Nevada), 3.5 months. So what they are describing above is cow-dung! I have yet to see any facts from this Michigan Preserves group to support their claim. They're too busy trash talking the Travers group and the two guys who they say drafted the legislation.

I can't say much about dive shops against each other either. It is a business and businesses can be "cut-throat". But do it with pricing, not trash-talking. You can lose a lot of respect from a customer by trash-talking your competitor. One store lost a sale on a B.C. because of this. I overheard them at the other store complaining about thier experience at the other "shop". Customers are not stupid.

Michigan stands to benefit greatly by promoting from within their own state. Other states do it. Do what we do in Nevada, work at the state level, you'll accomplish more. So get going Michigan! I'd like to see just one commercial on TV here and have it show some scuba diving. You folks have great diving! It's time you worked together as a unified voice and started supporting others who are doing the same.
 
Hello Folks-
Let me just add my two cents here. First off, the two dive shops in Traverse City get along fine as do many others in the state. But that doesn't mean they will combine precious marketing dollars to promote something the state should be doing. The state, on the other hand, is in a recession if you haven't noticed and spending even more precious marketing dollars on an industry that is comparatively small just ain't going to happen right now - at least not in a major way. If the state has to choose between promoting the state park system which serves many, many thousands of out-of-state visitors and the preserves which serve far less, where do you think they will spend the money? Can you argue with them with the state's economy the way it is?
On a more positive note, the proposed underwater preserve in TC is alive and well and they will be doing plenty to promote diving in the area so keep an eye out. They are a highly organized group with a lot of desire to see more divers come to Michigan. They are working on a new website and plenty of promotional materials that will be available soon.
Chris
Traverse City, MI
 
My intention was not to disparage the concerted efforts of the few. Rather, it was to highlight the lack of overall cohesion and general naivety when it comes to basic marketing and PR with regards to Michigan diving and how bickering amongst oneselves is ultimately fruitless.

Chris, I am well aware that Michigan is in a recession. To my (admittedly lacking) knowledge it has been since the late 70's, right (actually, in my Lonely Planet I'm sure you'd be thrilled to learn that the state is described as a cold sore on the lip of the US and Detroit as a "pit")? That's no excuse for not marketing your assets, which Michigan actually does. My point is that they're missing one. If they are their to represent and promote tourist-related industries then they are failing on at least one count. A simple mention on Travelers Landing Page - Pure Michigan Travel would be nice - wouldn't you like to see the drop down 'outdoors' menu have a 'scuba' tab? Hardly a multi-million, let alone multi-thousand dollar investment (or even multi-dollar investment for that matter - surely dive shops have been clamouring for this for years?!). Marketing doesn't have to be costly at all and, in fact, the best marketing often doesn't cost anything - it's just a case of connecting the dots.

Let's look at the Traverse Bays scenario a little more, since you've highlighted it...

Two dive shops. That are reportedly civil. Lots of diving opportunties and a concerted effort to create a 12th Underwater Preserve, with a view to "acquire a Great Lakes related ship or aircraft to sink in Grand Traverse Bay as a new dive attraction to supplment the other great dive sites in Grand Traverse Bay".

Sounds like a pretty costly endeavour to me! Maybe the funds raised might be better off spent on promoting what you've already got. Surely this enough wrecks in the lakes already? Especially when you consider they (the two dive shops in Traverse City. Yes, you! are currently failing to leverage some very very basic opportunties.

Traverse Bay gets a LOT of tourism. I know. My family are coming over this summer for our wedding and we had to book condos well over 12 months in advance. I know that tourists generally do not come up this way to dive. But it doesn't mean they shouldn't or wouldn't and it doesn't mean that when they are there already that they won't if they're given a few simple prompts. Picture this:

Scuba Dad is persuing the bookshelf in the aforementioned gift shop, is thumbing through some wreck books and then... *Oh, a Divers' guide*... *Well I know from the video pres that there is plenty of SCUBA diving done around here*... *Oh, look a brochure for a local operator*... Maybe tomorrow when mum goes off to sample some cherry wine he might take himself off for a dive. ****, he might even drag her and his daughter along for a DSD! c.o.n.e.c.t.t.h.e.d.o.t.s!

Simple things like this are what make the difference between having 6 people on your boat every day and just about scraping together 8 across a weekend.
One local dive shop does semi-promote it and has offered it's own charters out there but the demand is low.
Demand is low!? Seriously, it's a numbers game. With all of those tourists you figure there must be at least a few that are certified divers (I don't have figures to hand but I'm sure somebody could do some stats here) - They may not have come to dive, but again, that's not to say that they wouldn't. You lose nothing but a few bucks in paper and inkjet cartridges and a phone call or three for trying.
Do you have a realistic solution to propose?
This is where I need to be careful. I'm new to the area and I don't want to stand on the toes of those who agree in part with what I'm saying and may have already been working hard to do just what I'm saying isn't being done.

Maybe I should ask a question instead: what current scuba industry/consumer groups currently exist in the area and meet on a regular(ish) basis? And who is involved in each?
 
Hey ricky maybe brunno, didn't want to discourage you, or said in all my years, I really don't no why.

I'll tell you why ricky, The diving is a short window, it takes longer to get divers to get the deep cold water training.

When you go out on superior, lets say at whitefish point, there are divers waiting in case a diver dose not show to go on a charter. planned and prepaid divers do get to go.

Ok you look out there and some say were going here, the captain says no we are gonna have to go here, now divers are up set. Another captain may say ok fine but its not going to be fun.

The wind comes up hard, after a few inexprerience divers, have bad dives, the word gets around.

Cut throat you say, Michiganders are some very competive people, and they will do what they want no matter what.

Abpout 15 years ago the state police, thought they were going to pull over people and start busting them for what ever, Did'nt take long, as soon as the trooper pulled you over, they just turned around in the car shot right through there back window till the trooper was DEAD.
You live in clinton township, genessee county, The flint police would go to florida,Pick up a prisoner and bring back as MANY KILOS OF COCAIN the car would hold.

Michigan mafia, jimmy hoffa, and what about the grand wizzard of the kkk.

Thats right ricky, you have never seen the way diveshops, or charters, treat each other, Your wasting your time, if you think you can make a change.

Auto companys, have put a damper on goverment money, tourism, parks,the general population, has less income.

Now I disagree with you, brunno, the dive shop, straits scuba, the linquist, fred from copper harbor, Isle royale, and many other operations have been going on for years.

There are alot of divers that live on the great lakes that just leave from there cabins to dive, Im one of them, these wrecks are ours, If tourist want to dive them then they need to pay the big buck, and book it through the dive shops, charters.

Your not in a tourist enviorment for diving.

I actually Don,t think you have any evidence on some of the jestures you have made about the dive operators.

If you whine on this Board any more about it, don't be suprised how fast they will blackball you.

ricky you are in a very hard to make money area, the competition is in everything not just diving.


Solution, have a charter boat, fill station, captain license, and even then you will be dissapointed in how little income you have.

Good luck to you, try not to burn bridges.
 

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