Low on air in deco

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I'm going to apologize to the actual DIR divers here up front for jumping in and giving my opinion. That said, I hope to god this is a troll. If not, I agree with Cyklon 300. Either your instructor owes you some serious money back or you totally ignored everything he said and should return your card.
In my first year of diving I made about 60 dives as OW. I opted out of a 90' dive that would have been with 2 instructors and a DM friend because it was 40' deeper than I had ever been and wanted to have the proper training first. I was assured by everyone that I would be ok, and I probably would have been. I was not properly trained to make that dive though and had the willpower and brains to admit it to myself. Diving deep doesn't impress anyone except those that don't dive. Diving beyond your training shouldn't impress anyone.
One last thing. What training does your buddy have?

Hyper-Limits,
I love that form. Too bad so many items came to mind so easily. It means there are a lot of potential accidents waiting to happen.

Joe

I apologize again if this post is out of order for this forum..
 
spearfisherman55:
My buddy has his OW cert, AOW cert, nitox cert, resuce cert, and he is a diver for the police.
And your buddy doesn't know the risk he's placing you in. Guaranteed. His training didn't cover youngsters, and there are special considerations that are real he needs to know about.
I'm sure that when your uncle finds out about growing youngsters and the special risk they have with deep dives he'll keep you shallow. Just tell him "all the old pros" on both Scubaboard and The Deco Stop are worried about you. And if the risk weren't real then we wouldn't all be warning you to throttle back.
Rick
 
Maybe you could show your Uncle the threads here and on TDS and let him read them for himself.
 
Maybe a silly question but why is this in the DIR forum?
 
spearfisherman55:
Ok, I will stay above 70' until I am older and have more than 100 dives.
Many tech agencies look at a prequisite of 100 dives with 25 below 100 feet for many of their tech courses, so oddly enough they inadvertantly encourage some deeper diving before you are "allowed" to take their more advanced courses.

To advance safely in this sport you need to develop both your experience level and your education level. There are many divers who are heavy on experience but light on training. Worse are the many divers who are heavy on training but have spent very few actual dives outside of one course or another so their independence, their ability to think for themselves and there exposre to real world situations is very limited. They are essentially "patch" divers and usually have a heavily indoctrinated but poorly thought out or developed opinion on everything.

My suggestion would be to get your nitrox certification and a recreational deep diving specialty on the way toward or as part of an AOW certification. You will eventually need this training to progress into tech classes and the AOW/deep diving specialty will expand your depth range to 100-130ft.

Once you get at least 100 dives under your belt, you will then want to take advanced nitrox and deco procedures courses to learn how to properly do decompression diving with proper configuration and redundancy using high percentage nitrox and/or 100% O2 for decompression. You should not be doing any deco without this training.

For pilots, one of the most dangerours periods occurs from 100 hours total time to about 250 hours total time. They "know" they are good pilots but they do not know enough to realize how much they still don't know about flying. They have the confidence to get into some very demanding situations but they do not always have the knowledge or skill to get themselves out of a particular situation nor the good judgement needed to avoid the situation in the first place.

The same thing occurs in the development of a diver. A diver, particulary one with some innate ability and good in water skills, confidence and swimming ability will quickly discover that they can handle a wide range of situations beyond the scope of their training. But what they do not realize is that they can only handle these situations when things go well. When things go wrong, or when the demands of the situation suddenly exceed their knowledge or experience level, they are left trying to develop an immediate solution on the spot and at depth and they have to do it under the influence of at least some degree of narcosis.

If basic diving skills (precise bouyancy control, gas management, etc) are not learned to the degree that they are automatic and if the diver has not had experience and training relating to similar situations and the precognition that occurs during those training and real world experiences, the odds are very small that they will have the neccessary fund of knowledge and available cognitive resources to recognize, anticipate and avoid a problem. Worst case, if a problem fully deveops they will not have the ability to successfully resolve the problem within the very limited time available at depth.

So the best approach is to slowly and incrementally expand your training and experience level concurrently while you slowly expand your depth range and the types of conditions in which you dive (low visbility, night diving, etc). Ideally you need to do this under the mentorship of a more epxerienced diver, dive master or instructor who is aware of your current skill level and will help you continually challenge and expand your abilities without exceeding your ability or pushing you beyond the limits of your ability to handle any situation that may develop.

If you take it slow you will discover that time is on your side and that in 10 years you will be a VERY experienced but still very young 25 year old diver with impressive credentials. You just need to remember that you are not bullet proof, and that while the "Live and Learn" approach works, it only works if you survive each and every dive. So proceed cautiously and hedge your bets with training and incremental progression under the mentorship of a responsible and experienced buddy/DM/instructor.

To borrow another aviation example:

"There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots."

The same thing applies to divers.
 
How come it doesn't have the organ donor application attached!! LOL

Hyper-limits:
After getting very good advices from TDS, you are now asking the same question and getting the same advices here, we have no choice but to get you to fill this form.

Pre-Recovery Candidate Diver Form:

Identification: this area is reserved for the soon to be deceased diver to enter their personal information

Name_____________________________________________
Next of Kin's name__________________________________
Next of Kin's address________________________________

Fill the following blank before continuing.

I ____________________________ have been identified as a candidate for a recovery
dive. I am about to begin (circle one) Deep/cave/wreck/deco dive for which I am unqualified, untrained or just too stupid to survive. to assist the recovery team, I've have agreed to fill out this form. In the event I am unable to read and write, it is being read to me and my thumb print will be on the form, provided I have opposable thumbs.

When my lifeless body is retrieved, the disposition of my gear is left up to the recovery team. I will leave my car keys and wallet with this form in the attached plastic bag. Any money found in my belongings goes to the recovery team as compensation for their efforts.

I further acknowledge my impending demise is solely due to my lack of functional frontal lobes and in no way hold the diving community responsible. further I choose to ignore practical words of caution from competent divers.

Please initial all applicable choices.

_____ I have no deep/deco diving training and never heard of Darwin.
_____ I have been fully trained in trimix, but I'm too cheap to buy the gas.
_____ I have no idea what trimix is, but I got a lot of air in my tanks so I can go deep.
_____ My gear is maintained using the best zip ties and duct tape that money can buy
_____ My regulators were serviced before I bought them six years ago.
_____ It's all rented so it has to be good
_____ I have seen people exercise and would like to try it some day.
_____ I avoid the use of illegal drugs by drinking heavily.
_____ I have cut my smoking in half and only do 2 packs a day.
_____ I never smoke (while underwater)
_____ I know I am qualified for this dive based on the advanced technical diver training I received on the Internet.
_____ I have some deco training but want to dive beyond my limits
_____ I am fully cave certified but disregard my training where possible
_____ I have been fully trained in trimix, but man I love that narcosis buzz.
_____ Prozac doesn't interfere with my diving.

Soon to be deceased Signature or thumb Print........................today's Date

________________________________________________________________

Witness.............................................................................today's Date
 
This is what keeps me awake at night as an instructor teaching in the New Orleans area. Divers with little experience get drawn into the spearfishing crowd and all of sudden with little experience, these guys are diving below recreational limits on air while spearing fish.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to tell which students will leave your class with a c-card and start diving like this. I taught a class in May a few years back and the brightest and ablest student started spearfishing and was dead by September. He panicked and spit his reg. out at 180ft; his "buddies" found him floating back down unconscious at 80 ft. You just never know...
 

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