Lovely diving watch?

[boulderjohn]

I agree with Jim newer diver's tend to rely on these computers and bottom timers and they can fail. I think everyone should be able to know the table's and be able to dive with or with out computer.

As falman states a real diver uses mechanical dive watch.

I wish I had a girl that was smart and wanted to get me something that reminded me of her when I looked at it....

Not being a real diver, I tend to rely more on an electronic bottom timer than a watch. I do use a computer sometimes, too.

That is partly because I am worried about failures. I once had a mechanical dive watch that I used with students in pool instruction. It failed twice before I threw it away. Strangely enough, it would stop working for 10-20 minutes and then start again. That's a bad failure, because when you look at it you have no idea that it is incorrect because it is still working. If it had just stopped, it would have been much better.

My Seiko dive watch had a part recalled because it would cause the watch to fail unexpectedly.

I don't know where people get the idea that mechanical watches don't fail.

 

[Hatul]

This is not true. Many of us have a lot of use for a good underwater watch. If diving with tables, navigatiing, keep track of turn times, and just knowing what time it is. I recommend watches over computers or bottom timers to all my new OW students. I'd rather see them using those and tables than diving a computer to it's limits. The invicta is a nice looking, and to my understanding, good quality watch. I;d rather have that than a computer. Plus as his honey every time he looks at it underwater or out he will think of what a great wife he has. That is worth more than any damn computer.

You probably also teach the slide rule.

 

[diversteve]

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[vladimir]

I agree with Jim newer diver's tend to rely on these computers and bottom timers and they can fail. I think everyone should be able to know the table's and be able to dive with or with out computer.

As falman states a real diver uses mechanical dive watch.

If you view the watch--tables--diver as an integrated system, and compare it to the bottom-timer--tables--diver system and the computer--diver system, I think the first system will be the least reliable, with two main opportunities for failure: the beginning of the dive, when the diver has to remember to set the bezel on his watch, along with the usual beginning-of-dive tasks and perhaps some unusual ones; and every time he does a table calculation. I agree that every diver should be proficient at the tables, if for no other reason than to appraise the computer's dive plan, but I don't see the watch being a better alternative to either the bottom-timer or computer.

 

[helimvee]

We need more spammers - they sure can get a discussion going.

 

[boulderjohn]

A real diver uses a mechanical (automatic) dive watch. He or she doesn't rely on some battery-operated bottom timer.

I just wanted to explore this a little. I realized after my last post that not only am I not a real diver, I don't know any real divers and have never even seen one in action.

The opposite of a real diver would be my cave instructor, who not only uses a computer, he was pretty clear that he wanted me to use one, too. Despite diving for more than 35 years, including cave exploration dives with his good friend Sheck Exley, he is not a real diver. In fact, now that I think about it, none of the cave divers I have met in my brief time as as one myself are real divers.

The tech instructor with whom I did some friendly (non-instructional) deep wreck diving off the coast of Florida last year was definitely not a real diver. He used two computers, one as a backup in case of failure. We actually talked about this topic, and when he described people who don't dive that way, he did not use the adjective real. The word he used was primitive.

In the SB threads in which he participated on this very topic, John Chatterton also described his use of two computers while diving. I guess he isn't a real diver, either.

I am part of a UTD team of divers, and I know the UTD leadership, all the way through its director, does not use mechanical watches, either. They are definitely not real divers.

I would like to meet a real diver. Could someone please tell me who they are and where I might find them?

 

[fnfalman]

I just wanted to explore this a little. I realized after my last post that not only am I not a real diver, I don't know any real divers and have never even seen one in action.

The opposite of a real diver would be my cave instructor, who not only uses a computer, he was pretty clear that he wanted me to use one, too. Despite diving for more than 35 years, including cave exploration dives with his good friend Sheck Exley, he is not a real diver. In fact, now that I think about it, none of the cave divers I have met in my brief time as as one myself are real divers.

The tech instructor with whom I did some friendly (non-instructional) deep wreck diving off the coast of Florida last year was definitely not a real diver. He used two computers, one as a backup in case of failure. We actually talked about this topic, and when he described people who don't dive that way, he did not use the adjective real. The word he used was primitive.

In the SB threads in which he participated on this very topic, John Chatterton also described his use of two computers while diving. I guess he isn't a real diver, either.

I am part of a UTD team of divers, and I know the UTD leadership, all the way through its director, does not use mechanical watches, either. They are definitely not real divers.

I would like to meet a real diver. Could someone please tell me who they are and where I might find them?

It's a hyperbolic remark made partly in jest. Don't be so sensitive.

It's to address the silliness of the types that "don't trust" computers but somehow trust electronic bottom timers.

 

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Dang it. I knew a girlfriend like that was probably just too good to be true.

 

[boulderjohn]

A real diver uses a mechanical (automatic) dive watch. He or she doesn't rely on some battery-operated bottom timer.

As falman states a real diver uses mechanical dive watch.

It's a hyperbolic remark made partly in jest. Don't be so sensitive.

Funny--matsat64 thought you were totally serious and agreed with you. Apparently the jest was not sufficiently apparent. This is especially ironic since in another thread you recently went off in a tirade when someone implied that the best divers use BP/Ws. Apparently it is really wrong for someone to suggest such a thing in the vaguest of terms regarding one piece of equipment, but it is OK for you to make an overt and clear statement about another.

So you said it was hyperbolic and partially in jest, and I missed it. Sorry. Could you explain what you really meant so that everyone else on this thread can have a clear picture of your thinking?

 

[Scott L]

So you said it was hyperbolic and partially in jest, and I missed it. Sorry. Could you explain what you really meant so that everyone else on this thread can have a clear picture of your thinking?

Its best to simply ignore him like the rest of us...