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Ontario Diver once bubbled...


With respect, in Canada it is different. First of all, any place of business normally not closed to the public (ie. doesn't have a guarded opening and requires open public access for business purposes) is considered "public" not private property and denial of access cannot be capricious. One more reason for the "Please wait to be seated" sign. :D (Quebec having its basis of law in the Napoleonic code is even more different!) BTW, I'm not saying one is right, wrong or better - just that they are different.

To be denied access to the Beaver Room (and it is a great place to dine) there must be a displayed set of rules (ie. "proper dress" or "over 19 only"). Since a male friend of mine showed up once after 7pm with a dress sweater instead of a tie........:)

I stand, or sit, corrected. Down here, there is no question in my mind that a property owner doesn't need a posted notice.

Napoleanic code gives me a headache. I had one case that I managed for our client while Quebec counsel tried it. The rules were so different from our own as to make understanding even the basic procedure a hassle. I literally needed my local counsel to tell me what was important. That is not meant as a criticism, just a not particularly humerous anecdote.
 
Cherry once bubbled...
NE you are right in that the Beaver room is a private establishment with a dress code. It would not be considered a "public place" at all. However, the food court is a public place with no dress code. As to the rest well if the US isnt a democracy then why try and make other countries one or was I wrong when I heard your fearless leader talk about making the world "safe for democracy". Cause if a guy cant wear a "give peace a chance" t-shirt in a mall it aint very safe in the "homeland" (Gawd I hate that word sounds way to much like other words by Orwell or you know who.)

Wait a minute. Why isn't the Beaver Club a public place. I could stay at the Ritz, walk to the Queen E and ask for a table. Doesn't that qualify under Canadian law as a place of public accommodation, or whatever you guys call it? It sure would down here.

President Bush's comments are rhetoric. I don't know where the phrase came from; however, its been around for as long as I can remember. Like many evocative phrases, it is not necessarily perfectly accurate.

Besides, I'm not aware of any democracies that we have created. Most of them seem to be some type of republic instead.
 
WreckWriter once bubbled...


You don't have the right to insist. You're a visitor in our country. If you don't like the way we do it, get the **** out. Go somewhere that people agree with your pussy attitude.

WW

Ummmm........oh never mind.
 
King Kong Matt once bubbled...
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On the other hand, "New York Yankees Suck Donkey Balls"


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This isn't a belief, this is simple fact... :D

On a related note, the Mariners management banned "Yankees Suck" t-shirts at Safeco Field last season. After much public derision, they caved in and reversed their policy. I can imagine that the NY Mall will perhaps change their tune as well, as this incident is going to cause a lot of bad publicity for them.

Here's a link to an article on the Mariner's management change of heart.

Jimmie
 
kalvyn once bubbled...

This isn't a belief, this is simple fact... :D

On a related note, the Mariners management banned "Yankees Suck" t-shirts at Safeco Field last season. After much public derision, they caved in and reversed their policy. I can imagine that the NY Mall will perhaps change their tune as well, as this incident is going to cause a lot of bad publicity for them.

Here's a link to an article on the Mariner's management change of heart.

Jimmie

Two important things to note.

1. Management changed its mind because of the publicity, not because they were in violation of anyone's rights.

2. The ACLU is "investigating" whether a claim exists. Don't hold your breath. These bozos go off half-cocked at the drop of a hat. The investigation will quietly fade away.
 
kalvyn once bubbled...

This isn't a belief, this is simple fact... :D

Testify my brutha! Talk to the people...

Dude..."Yankees Suck" t-shirts, mugs, hats, <insert nearly any item here> are sold EVERYWHERE in Boston. No way they would ever dream about thinking about considering the possibility of banning those things...

The city's entire self-image revolves around hating the Yankees...and why not? They are total assmonkeys who suck donkey balls.

We WILL hijack this thread yet...
 
Northeastwrecks once bubbled...
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Ive never been to the beaver club but I would bet there is a waiter or Maitre'd seating you so the door is controlled and I wouldn't be suprised if somewhere near the entrance is a sign or other notice that speaks to the managements right to refuse service. All point to a privately controlled site. but then the phrase "public accomadation" is referenced from your law not ours I believe. Helll alot of Canadians think the RCMP have to Mirandize folks they dont tho. thats what growing up under 'merican TV does for us :)

I think that last statement is at the heart of the matter you can't create a Democracy. It didnt work any time in the past that the US has tried to do it. they have to be born. some times it takes a bloody war like the American revolution. sometimes it is a political birth like the British North America Act and it take 100 years. You cant "create" countries. Iraq, Iran,Saudi, Palistine,Jordan all created by forgien powers and still a mess.

Cherry
 
Okay, I'll join in on being a victim of this troll riddled thread:

I DO worry about this country these days in terms of a McCarthy-eque time. History tends to repeat itself. In my opinion, humans are still a bit barbaric especially when backed up by numbers of people (mob mentality). The mob mentality is what puts people in fear of revealing any dissenting opinions. We should worry about that. If we don't worry about it, then we are doomed to fall prey.

As far as this troll story about the t-shirt: we do not have any information on the situation and it is probably a made-up story. Walking around with a t-shirt isn't likely to get anyone kicked out of a mall, no matter what is written on the shirt, unless there's more to the story. And getting kicked out of a mall, whether it's private property or not, is a big deal worthy of serious scutiny.
 
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