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JJCCR "Full Cave" course and/or crossover?
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In FL just no Ginnie as far as I know. MX can be weird and I don't think that crossover card situation is predictable there given the huge variety of access issues.
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I dont think there's any secret sauce in CCR cave that you haven't already been exposed to through OC cave and CCR mine and your buddies. Classes are really just a license to learn and if you take your development on the slow track you'll have many sane cave dives ahead and a minimum of sketchy ones. Unless access is a big issue I would skip a CCR cave crossover. But I'm just a guy on the internet, go with your gut.
Underwater Tourist
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Here you can see some of the topics covered during the course:
mr_v
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I don't know what CCR Mine covers. If your CCR emergency skills are good, you should be okay-ish to go. However, if you struggle with concepts like selecting the best gas for SCR or bailout radius calculation, a cave class will probably be useful. YMMV.
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Markus MDDT
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It covers exactly the same. The test is the same,(its the cave test) all the skills and what you mention is the same. Its just that its performed in a very cold (40F) man made hole instead. The only thing you would not learn is flow i guess. The only reason I am so fixated in getting the card is that I really want to go back to Ginnie. Last time was on OC 2012.
Fat old english bloke
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IMO if a commercially operated cave will
not allow a diver with a CCR mine ticket to dive their unit there, that is utterly sh*te and a sad indictment of the “industry”.
not allow a diver with a CCR mine ticket to dive their unit there, that is utterly sh*te and a sad indictment of the “industry”.
Alekseolsen
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I know comercial places over in Europe won't allow OC full mine card in their cave. I dont even believe the operation agree to there beeing a difference, but if an accident happens "allowing divers without licence" will likely shut it down for good.
The crossover is very fast though
Weird that in France, where you cannot dive off a boat without lots of paperwork, anyone can dive in their caves.I know comercial places over in Europe won't allow OC full mine card in their cave. I dont even believe the operation agree to there beeing a difference, but if an accident happens "allowing divers without licence" will likely shut it down for good.
The crossover is very fast though
What is the difference between Full Cave and Full Mine? Aside from don't kick the props down and lack of flow, there's not much else. Caves are safer as they've been around a lot longer than a fragile flooded mine
Alekseolsen
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Nobody will ask for any card in our caves without a commercial op attached to it, which I guess is the beatuy of the French caves.
I for one find my (local) mines scarier than my (less so, but "local" caves). It would be interesting to learn where the "Cave is better than mine card" came from
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