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Fishkiller

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A friend of mine told me that a diver died because his Weezle undergrament for his drysuit clogged the dump valve causing an uncontrolled assent.
I would like to know if this is true? Then if you are able what brand of drysuit was it?
thanks
 
I can't speak to your rumor, but my Bare Extreme underwear has three holes on the left shoulder (where you would expect to have the dump) to help in the exhaust.

Very interesting.

Mike
 
That's one of the THEORIES that has been proposed to explain Garret Weinberg's death a few months ago.

-kate
 
Originally posted by scubakat
That's one of the THEORIES that has been proposed to explain Garret Weinberg's death a few months ago.

-kate


Please.
 
I thought he died of a "heart attack." At least that's what Mount said the "accident report" he posted online fairly soon after the accident. Haven't seen the ME's report or anything else since then.

Sam
 
believe it or not, I know a woman who was bent as a result of
a too large undergarment clogging the exhaust vent of a too
large suit.
 
I Wish I could tell you more Fishkiller. That's why I said THEORY, not fact. I don't want to disparage a product, but think about the puffiness of the Weezle and how it might behave in the confines of your drysuit. Did you buy a drysuit?

-kate
 
Here's the only report I've seen.

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Accident Report in Regard to Garrets Death

This is one of the rare times we have a detailed accident report to
review:

Saturday June 23, 19:05, Garrett and Claudia started a dive to 300 feet at Mukilteo, WA. The dive included a swim of 15 minutes down a gradual slope to the planned 300-foot depth where 5 minutes were spent. The dive was planned with software dive tables. Both knew the dive site very well.
Both were diving their inspiration units that had passed all pre-dive checks. Onboard tanks were full (8/60 and O2), scrubber fresh (see below). Also, they were carrying an Al80 (10/50) and an Al40 (O2) as bailout each, equipped with inflator hoses, gauges, and second stage.
From descent to ascent, including the deep stops, everything went smoothly like usual. After leaving the 100 ft stop to 60 feet (20 ft/min) Garrett started to display he was having a problem.
The Inspiration was functioning correctly and there were no PO2
problems, nor other CCR related problems. The after-market ADV was disengaged as it always was on ascent. No alarms, no malfunctions were taking place.
Claudia: Starting at 100 feet, he was suddenly behind me, not next to me or slightly in front. I looked back and saw him getting rid of occasional water in the breathing hose (normal, although he usually did not do it on ascent, rather at the stop). He seemed to be struggling slightly with 'something'.
(When someone had problems of any kind, they would stop and the buddy would stop as well. In this case, although slightly slower, Garrett did not stop, and no other communication indicated a serious problem, yet.)
Claudia: Then, arrived at the 60 ft stop, the communication was
strange to non-existent. All I understood, other than that he was getting in more and more distress, was that his dry suit was not as quickly deflated. He showed me that with opening the wrist seal slightly and bubbles coming out. Because of the warm neck hood, it's very hard to open the neck seal that way, and Garrett chose not to. "
Garrett presented more problems with buoyancy and a look of distress, and surprise. After we had spent some time trying to stop the ascent by releasing gas and swimming down - I could not get to the dry suit inflator to detach it (although nothing indicated a runaway inflator) and worked on the BC inflator - Garrett stopped kicking and continued to the surface. He was just floating up, looking down to me. That look said that he knew
what was going to happen, and I did too."
(The longest deco in my life (60 minutes according to tables), on top a stomach barotrauma that made breathing very hard.)
Comment: This is what we actually talked about with Leon yesterday afternoon: Gary never really liked his deflator that does not have a rest when fully opened, and together with the undergarment, it seemed difficult to release the Argon in a timely manner. However, I have never seen him having problems before.
According to a person at the surface that came to help, Garrett went to the boat ramp and climbed out of the water. He then collapsed on the boat ramp, and the guy pulled him from the ramp up.
Garrett said something about his dry suit to this person. He had him call 911, told him about his buddy doing deco and to take care of her, and had him help set up everything to breathe O2 until the ambulance would arrive. He breathed oxygen until his onboard O2 was empty, and his stage/bailout O2 to 1700 psi by the time the ambulance arrived to pick him up.
(Throughout the dive an ordeal. There was no alarm or even 'sanity break' at any time. The scrubber was okay. Mine was new, his had 54 minutes on prior to the dive.)
(Tom's comment) I think it is important that he made a conscious
decision not to descend back to his stop in the water and Garrett was fully aware of the problems with an explosive decompression, so it would lead one to think other factors many be involved. He also had adequate OC gas to do a deco
procedure, had OC gas been needed.
Claudia: We had talked about situations like that before and had he been able to, he would have resumed his deco after fixing whatever problem he had. I did not like the idea of leaving him alone when we discussed it, but understand that otherwise we both would have been killed, and he never wanted that to happen. In a similar situation, knowing that we were close to the boat ramp on a Saturday evening with many people around, I would have expected for him to stay down as well. A hard decision I never wanted to have to make.
At the hospital where he also commented about his dry suit and then fell unconscious after 5 minutes, due to his condition (good ECG at first, but a drop to 40 over 20) he was treated for a heart attack (while explosive DSC is life threatening, it was secondary to the seriousness of the heart attack in the judgment of the attending physicians, and it is difficult if not impossible to fully address the heart condition while in a chamber) for 5 hours prior to being placed in the chamber. 20 minutes into the chamber
treatment Garrett arrested and died.
Tom: Garrett was a really good friend and his loss saddens me greatly. He had a tremendous amount of time on the inspiration (460 hours plus) and was the most active instructor we have had on the west coast. And maybe the most active inspiration instructor in the USA. We have shared many dives, deep dives and recently he and Claudia went on a Blue Hole trip with several
others and myself. He was extremely competent and safety orientated. In fact during a training program when he was doing his IT and Martin was doing his instructors and Vicki her diver rating on the inspiration we hammered out sequencing. On the skills that are now taught in the IANTD Inspiration course. So he has contributed very much to our training programs and to
rebreather diving safety overall.
Patti, IANTD and I wish for Garrett the happiest after life possible
and know his energy will always be with those he cared for. From everything from observations to the medical reaction and diagnosis at he hospital it would have lead one to accept that Garrett had a heart attack.
True without the complication of an explosive decompression he may have had a higher probability of surviving. BUT after his body was reviewed by the ME the following was found:
Claudia: According to the examiner, no enzymes could be built within the time frame of 5-6 'alive' hours that would let trace a heart attack, and they were not found. The final report may be shared with me in about 6-8 weeks. This morning, two friends of ours, and students of Garrett's, Ken Rymal and Dave Hancock, and I were explaining the gear to the examiners to shed some light for them on the subject. We tested the unit in front of them, and everything worked properly.
Garrett and I were to get married 5 July, and had many good plans for training and service, and just going diving all over the place. After talking to Leon that afternoon, we produced even more ideas while driving from the lunch place up North to Mukilteo. Except for the harsh and unfair end, it was one of, of not the happiest weekend we had ever spent.
Tom: questions that remain:

1. What caused Garret to make the decision not to solve the problem in water (maybe due to physiological stress if fact he was having a physical problem as thought by the doctors )
2. Why once on the surface he elected not to return to the stops after dealing with any other problems (again suggesting there was something else taking place)
3. Why was he not put in the chamber earlier, (as stated by the
attending Doctor a heart attack but according to the ME no evidence of a heart attack.
So we may or may not discover the answers to these as well as what if any role a problem with the dry suit may or may not have had on this accident. We do know it was not CCR related. And it appears that there was a physiological problem taking place that influenced Garrett to allow himself to go to the surface and to elect not to return to decompression.
It is sad that he was not placed in the chamber immediately as that would have definitely increased the probability of his survival of the decompression issue. But the attending doctors (s) had to make a decision based on what they perceived to be most life threatening.
So we are still left with many questions. We do know Garrett was extremely competent as a diver and highly experienced on the inspiration

Respectfully
Claudia Milz and Tom Mount
 
Thanks for the post LY, that report was posted here too not long after he died. As I said... it's a THEORY related to
"All I understood, other than that he was getting in more and more distress, was that his dry suit was not as quickly deflated. He showed me that with opening the wrist seal slightly and bubbles coming out"
that has been bantered about locally.

-kate
 

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