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What does "representative" mean? The diving population in Puget Sound is very different than the diving population in north Florida ... which is very different than the diving population in south Florida ... which is very different than the diving population in California ... which is very different than the diving population in Cozumel ... which is very different than the diving population in Thailand ... which is very different than the diving population in England ... which is very different than the diving population in ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Typically, the demographics questions in surveys are there to ensure that the people who answered the poll are reflective of the total population. Not so much to compare differences between different demographic groups.

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Even the other. larger survey will not only include the underlying "diver bias" (that's who's in the study) but will also skew "male bias" as well.

It's just useful to know what bias, if any might be baked into your results.
You're kind of dodging the issue here, I didn't react to the question about gender. I see the point in investigating gender bias, but I fail to see the relevance of 'race' bias, at least outside USA.


EDIT: But this was anyway just a knee-jerk reaction from my side, and I see that I'm well on my way to hijack the thread. So from my side, I think we may agree to let go of the issue :)
 
I have to say that I'm glad I'm not discussing the validity of split fins or backplate and wings ad nauseam in the "real world". ;)
 
You're kind of dodging the issue here, I didn't react to the question about gender. I see the point in investigating gender bias, but I fail to see the relevance of 'race' bias, at least outside USA.


EDIT: But this was anyway just a knee-jerk reaction from my side, and I see that I'm well on my way to hijack the thread. So from my side, I think we may agree to let go of the issue :)

I just grabbed the demographic questions that were used on the other survey.

I'm sure it's a US-centric thing (eg: Not a lot of African-Americans... in Norway for instance. Norwegian African-Americans? African-Norwegians? Norse-Americans? Other?)

:d

---------- Post added December 8th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ----------

What does "representative" mean? The diving population in Puget Sound is very different than the diving population in north Florida ... which is very different than the diving population in south Florida ... which is very different than the diving population in California ... which is very different than the diving population in Cozumel ... which is very different than the diving population in Thailand ... which is very different than the diving population in England ... which is very different than the diving population in ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Of course. And every individual diver is different than every other individual diver (ok, maybe except for GUE/UTD divers)... so no surveys should ever be conducted with more than one diver?

I thought the subject line of "representative of the diving public at large" was fairly straightforward. Though admittedly it never occurred to me that anyone would wonder whether Puget Sound, Cozumel, England, California, Thailand, and Florida were part of "at large."

MOD: please change subject line to "Is ScubaBoard representative of the diving population on the planet Earth, including Puget Sound, Cozumel, England, California, Thailand, and Florida"

:D
 
I actually think this is an interesting project, although I have a suspicion there will be few surprises in the end. SB members, I would guess, are likely to be more active divers (why would you spend time on a forum reading and talking about something you don't do?) and therefore finding more men, more instructors, and more advanced divers shouldn't be much of a surprise. But it's nice that you have a larger industry survey to use to compare the results, because these questions have been asked here before, but never with any kind of outside comparison.
 
I think scubaboard posters are probably more active divers than the pool of all certified divers taken as a whole. But posters and members to represent all level of qualification and experience, and certainly present a sampling of people throughout the country, and to a lesser extent, the world. I particularly enjoy reading posts form people from different locations. I also think those of use who have been at scuba a while, whether as recreational, technical, or professional divers, benefit greatly from reading what new divers have to say. I think SB is a great site for divers at all level of training or experience, any interest emphasis, and anywhere on the planet.
DivemasterDennis
 
I too was taken aback by the race question but wonder is it neither here nor there.
 
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In the U.S., political correctness has a strong influence on public statements indicating or implying that ethnicity or gender even as a general trend lead to some difference in a given group. Some exceptions are made for positive qualities that many women may like, such as being more naturally gifted for empathy, nurturance and multi-tasking. Otherwise, if you make any generalizations about a non-white group, look out. And if the group in question happens to be black, then it's big time look out, particularly since the history of race relations in the U.S. in terms of blacks (e.g.: slavery) has driven a lot of this intense concern.

And from what I understand, there is no substantial credible biological basis for believing in racial differences. Seems we really are one 'real' race, the human race.

Now, all that said, in the real world United States, where marketing is largely about generating profits & market share without regard for political or social equity sensibilities, there are at times fairly pronounced differences between various groups. I suspect that average individual and household income, likelihood of participation in water sports in general & diving in particular, probability of living in a metropolitan vs. a rural area & a number of other variables will correlate to some degree with ethnicity.

A person designing a marketing study of the U.S. would find knowing the percentages by gender & ethnicity of the target sample to be at least interesting.

This gets a lot more difficult when you expand the question to include nationality, though. Who is more similar/dissimilar; a U.S. white man, a U.S. black woman and a British white man?

That said, just as RJP showed with gender percentage comparisons of the SB survey respondents vs. Dema's figures, if there is a large discrepancy in ethnic (or national) makeup between SB members vs. Dema's figures, then you've got a somewhat different sample set. How different, & the practical significance of it, remains to be determined, but at least the marketer knows to consider it.

Of course, it's fairly likely survey respondents here aren't fully representative of Scuba Board membership as a whole. Those of us who spend a lot of time here and pay attention to some of RJP's thread discussions are more likely to post than someone who just posted in the Welcome section that he just got certified.

One question arises from all this; even if you determine SB to be a good testing ground for marketing ideas in the scuba industry, is the target demographic to be a marketing drive in the U.S., or world wide? Just as with the Quaker Oaks campaign the target demographic was working mothers, not family man fathers or kids; they focused on who decides what to buy.

Which raises the next question. Does SB need to be representative of all divers, or just some subset more likely to make gear & trip purchasing decisions (e.g.: instructors, LDS owners, etc…)?

Richard.
 
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