Is safe second really needed?

[pittyyofool]

He might me talking out of his butt, I have no clue, but I am not going to call him a lier I was not around 53 years ago much less learning to dive, or breathed from an old double hose. All I Know Is what he has told me. He learned from a sport diver mag approved instructor. He may have learnde to double hose buddy breath, or not. It still does not change the legal aspect of things, He was never formally trained in any rescue procedures or to use the single hose equipment he is currently using. (BTW: he does carry an octo)
The question still stands,according to all of this legal liability stuff and relying on your training. Since Jim was never officially trained in buddy breathing (with a single hose), the use of an octo, or to use a single hose regulator for that matter. Would he legally be better off to Flee the scene of an OOA situation, and leave the "struggling" diver to fend for them self? Because he has never been formally trained to operate gear he is currently using.

 

[diver_pirate]

If your buddy has an OOA problem he's going to take yours (panicked) whether or not your using it. The octo gives you a spare.
DP

 

[scubadude79]

Absolutely, it is needed!
Let me think, free flow or frozen reg and you cant get your buddies attention at say 60 feet.
Also, have you tried to make a safe ascent from that depth or deeper while buddy breathing.
That is a pain in the rear. I did it from 20 feet just to see what it was like while having a safety line and I was soooo glad when it was over.
All it takes is for one slip up and then poof, you need to be rescued.

What is better, losing 80 bucks to a piece of gear that you may never need or your life.
Pretty easy decision.

 

[Thalassamania]

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My dads buddy Jim learned to dive during high school in the mid 50's (he thinks 1956).

I too learned to dive in 1956, organized classes were rather rare so armed with two recently purchased tanks, two regulators, and a copy of the Science of Skin and Scuba my dad and I learned how to use scuba.

Buddy breathing not included in the course curriculum

Buddy breathing was in the book, we learned how to do it and practiced it on every dive.

because they were all using double hose regs that were very hard to clear if flooded. You had to have a full breath to clear the exhaust. This makes buddy breathing almost impossible, not to mention how up close and personal you would have to get.

False, as previously noted.

So according to all of this legal liability stuff and relying on your training. Since Jim was never officially trained in buddy breathing, the use of an octo, or to use a single hose regulator for that matter. He would legally be better off to Flee the scene of an OOA situation, and leave the "struggling" diver to fend for them self. Because he has never been trained to operate gear he is currently using.

That's a steaming pile of horse pucky.

 

[Kingpatzer]

The same case can be made for buddy breathing, breathe, pass it back, breathe pass it back. Buddy breathing is extremely easy. Someone farm animal stupid could get it.

I don't think that is so.

I've seen plenty of folks who struggle with buddy breathing in a pool the first few times they try it. It's pretty easy to get on the wrong side of the C02 curve. Learning to do it "on the fly" when in a real emergency isn't a likely reality. I've never seen any one capable of breathing off of one regulator find it difficult to breath off of another nearly identical reg.

 

[Thalassamania]

I don't think that is so.

I've seen plenty of folks who struggle with buddy breathing in a pool the first few times they try it. It's pretty easy to get on the wrong side of the C02 curve. Learning to do it "on the fly" when in a real emergency isn't a likely reality. I've never seen any one capable of breathing off of one regulator find it difficult to breath off of another nearly identical reg.

No question that an auxiliary is easier, but I can guarantee that divers can learn to buddy breathe in class, can practice in the field and can effectively use the skill in a real emergency.

 

[pittyyofool]

Originally Posted by Walter View Post
The same case can be made for buddy breathing, breathe, pass it back, breathe pass it back. Buddy breathing is extremely easy. Someone farm animal stupid could get it.

I don't think that is so.

I've seen plenty of folks who struggle with buddy breathing in a pool the first few times they try it. It's pretty easy to get on the wrong side of the C02 curve. Learning to do it "on the fly" when in a real emergency isn't a likely reality. I've never seen any one capable of breathing off of one regulator find it difficult to breath off of another nearly identical reg.

So are you saying that there are smarter farm animals than divers? with the lax requirements of some training agencies now days, I might agree.

 

[Walter]

So are you saying that there are smarter farm animals than divers?

I'm not sure which one of us you're addressing, but anyone who can't learn to buddy breathe pretty easily isn't someone who, in my opinion, is smart enough to dive in any conditions.

 

[nadwidny]

So are you saying that there are smarter farm animals than divers? ....

This whole thread reminds me of another phrase from the same original source. Something about "beyond the pale".

Oh, and And "Rule 1".

 

[pittyyofool]

I'm not sure which one of us you're addressing, but anyone who can't learn to buddy breathe pretty easily isn't someone who, in my opinion, is smart enough to dive in any conditions.

I was referring to the conversation between the two of you.