Is PADI bad?

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metridium once bubbled...
Okay, but to be fair, are there any good reasons not to use nitrox?

I have one...in my area (Dayton OH) there is only 1 LDS that does EANx fills. they are 12$ a piece. The only quarries around that do EANx fills are gilboa and portage...charges for EANx fills there are 12 and 10 $ respectively (each chagre 6 for air). I don't pay for air here, and I have 2 tanks. So the additional cost to me is between 32 and 36 bucks to dive EANx for 4 dives for a weekend. Depending on what we're planning on, I'll make my decision based on that. (36 bucks is three weeks worth of diapers in my little world)
 
Northeastwrecks wrote...
Unless I'm in a pool, that gas is never air.
I agreed with you up to that point. Above 40', what difference does it make if you're not doing a very long duration dive?
 
metridium once bubbled...
I agreed with you up to that point. Above 40', what difference does it make if you're not doing a very long duration dive?

Obviously, it makes far less of a difference at that depth. However, even on those dives, I prefer Nitrox for the following reasons:

First, by always keeping Nitrox 32 in my tanks, I maintain the flexibility to do almost any of the recreational dives in my area. It doesn't matter if we decide to change our dive site due to weather conditions, crowding, or because the boat opened up, I can dive without needing to change my fills. This is particularly important if the altered dive site results in a deeper dive, since I would otherwise be stuck with air NDL's or deco times.

Second, most of my favorite dives are in the 70' - 130' range. I seldom dive from shore unless the boat gets cancelled. Thus, on a practical level, I seldom run into a case where I would want to skip the Nitrox.

Third, while it is certainly less critical at shallow depths, I prefer the decreased nitrogen loading that results from using Nitrox. I see no reason to nitrogen load if I don't need to do so.

Fourth, by always keeping Nitrox32 in my tanks unless I'm doing a more technical dive, I never need to mess around with "best mix" calculations. Moreover, there is no chance that I'll make a mistake and calculate the dive using Nitrox32 when I should have used air or vice versa.

Fifth, since my regular buddies only dive Nitrox, there is no chance that we'll end up on radically different schedules at the end of a dive. We know that, unless otherwise discussed, we are going to be on 32.

There is one more reason that doesn't apply generally, but that I like to take into account.

I'm an AI. Most of my shallow dives are with students. While assisting, I tend to do multiple ascents and descents as I work with different groups. I prefer the added safety factor when I end up doing 6 ascents and descents during a one hour dive.
 
I don't know PADI's standards well on this issue. Making a diver wait until they are getting an AOW card to use a gas that will help them be a safer, more educated diver makes little sense to this SSI DiveCon candidate. Like Northeast Wrecks, when I work with classes, I do have some different considerations and the reduced nitrogen loading of nitrox is such that our DiveCons and Instructors use it in the pool as well.

When I did my open water training, I know that I forced an assistant to do an ascent/descent a couple of times. It happens to me from this end now. I have no problem helping students out and settling them as I needed that in my open water training myself for the first day. But, why increase my nitrogen loading and still do ascents/descents that are most likely a little fast due to the student being in a minor hurry to go up. Nitrox makes me more comfortable with these margins.

Also, like Northeast Wrecks, my dive buddies primarily use nitrox. Using nitrox myself keeps the NDL's on our profiles and bottom times similar. That is a huge plus.

Again, I believe that you have to use nitrox (I understand cost, at some Caribbean locations the price difference is 15-20 dollars PER TANK.) every dive. I did dive a lot of air early in the week down there for that reason. I do believe that divers should be educated about it and my an educated decision to use it or not. In my mind, the educated decision will TYPICALLY be to use it, but one never knows....
 
You can definitely do this...you do not need AOW to do nitrox..I am pretty sure that used to be the requirement, but I know for sure that has changed.
 
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...

Can I ask what need there is for an ow diver to have an EANx card before taking AOW?

You can get your O/W card and Nx card the same day thru NAUI. You should add on two more nights of academics for the Nitrox. If it's done properly, key word, I think it's a great idea for most future divers. Of course you will always have that bad apple in the bunch.
 
The standards on the PADI Enriched Air course changed a about a year ago. The minimum pre-requisite certification for taking the course is Open Water. It used to be AOW.

For the most current information on this, consult "The Summary of PADI Courses and Programs Key Standards" chart on pgs 12 & 13 of your Digital 2003 Instructor Manual.

Buona fortuna ,

~SubMariner~

P.S.: email me to let me know how your IDC went! :)
 
SubMariner once bubbled...
The standards on the PADI Enriched Air course changed a about a year ago. The minimum pre-requisite certification for taking the course is Open Water. It used to be AOW.

For the most current information on this, consult "The Summary of PADI Courses and Programs Key Standards" chart on pgs 12 & 13 of your Digital 2003 Instructor Manual.

Buona fortuna ,

~SubMariner~

P.S.: email me to let me know how your IDC went! :)
Who knows what else they left out if they are teaching the wrong standards..
 
O-ring once bubbled...

Who knows what else they left out if they are teaching the wrong standards..

Surely to goodness they taught the laws of physics correctly......
 

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