Is DM-ing incompatible with DIR?

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Diver0001:
No, Scott, no strawman. Don't you think it's an interesting question? I sure do and I can't be the only one.

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Ok, since your serious I understand. I guess one would have to decide what level of risk they are willing to take. Is zipping around in 20'-40' of water chasing OW students a risk that is worth taking or is it one you wouldn't want to bet your life on? Now, we all know that is a bit rediculous to think that DMing an OW or even a AOW class is a huge risk, but I think you get my point. Personally, I don't see any issues with it unless you knew that the instructor was an unsafe one...than I would think twice about it. :)
 
Isn't it more a question of profession? A DM has a job to do which they are paid for (at least in theory). It's the job itself which dictates what the DM should or shouldn't be doing which could put him/her outside of the DIR concept. Lots of professional divers fall into that category - there's not much DIR about a surface supplied diver - or a SAR diver - or a military diver. However all of these professionals 'do it right' according to the training for their respective jobs - so the standardization and teamwork is still there - just in a different way. I think DIR or not can only really be applied when someone has the freedom of choice to dive how they choose.
 
Simple, To be DIR you have to dive in three man teams. Two DIR DM's and a student.
 
Why doesn't someone ask their employer what they think of not DM'ing for non-dir...

and let us know how it works out :)
 
Viscya:
Simple, To be DIR you have to dive in three man teams. Two DIR DM's and a student.
Ummmm...No
 
I am both DIR and a DM, although I consider myself an independant DM, which means I am not employeed thru a shop. That way I can choose who I DM for. I feel that when someone is learning to dive that they should not be considered an unsafe diver, as they are in fact still learning. During my DM internship, I DM'd for an instructor that was also DIR, so he taught in his DIR set up and so did I. Mostly the students were DIR as well, or heading that direction in their training. So now that I am a DM I can still dive with DIR buddies, like DIR divers in this area on business or vacation looking for a guide and I do refresher courses as well.

I live down the road from Disney, and they hire DM's to work at the Living Seas at EPCOT. I used to work at Disney and figure it would be easy for me to get rehired for a DM job, as I meet all the requirements, it would be Part time and extra money for me, but I don't do it cuz I don't like the gear they require you use (split fins, pony bottle, single reg set ups). So I have never applied. I have thought of this question before, should i look aside from my beliefs and apply for the DM job, but I decided no. I am happy with the way I dive and with the buddies I have. If I could dive the gear I wanted to that would be a different story.
 
To answer this question you just need common sense.
You wouldn't need three-man teams and doubles with isolation manifolds to clean a swimming pool, would you?

A properly conducted OW class would provide a safe environment for the students with little experience, and thus will also be safe for the instructor and assistants.
 
paulwlee:
You wouldn't need three-man teams and doubles with isolation manifolds to clean a swimming pool, would you?
And what does this have to do with the question being asked.
 
Diver0001:
Given that DM's (or anyone in charge of supervising inexperienced divers) can't get around this...... Is DM-ing incompatible with DIR?
What sort of DM-ing? It's doesn't seem that being DM for a bunch of tourists in a tropical resort is compatible with DIR philosophy, primarily because you are diving with unknown divers of unknown skill levels.

It's also irrelevant.
 

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