Is criticism of Moderators a bannable offense?

[MXGratefulDiver]

Hmmmm....I thought that might be it!

Didn't happen to me.

I don't want it happening to me ... that's a neighborhood I'd just as soon avoid ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[The Chairman]

You know what bites?

Just a few who are willing to imagine the worst about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that happens. No PMs were sent my way asking what happened or enquiring if someone might have made a mistake. No, lets just be as beligerant and belittling as can be and smear the mods and management whenever possible.

Now, I haven't asked the mod in question WHY they used SB Mod, but seeing how quick y'all are to crucify anyone for any deed, I can't blame him. Who wants to deal with all the character assassination? Once it was brought to our attention, the thread was quickly re-opened.

To say the least, I am a little dissapointed with the tenor of this thread. Actually, I am downright disgusted. For those of you have shown support and compassion, my sincerest thanks for your PATIENCE in letting us deal with things.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Well, I did just send you this privately ... but seein's how we're going to have this discussion out here, I'll post it here ...

Really don't want to seem too harsh on your guys, but that really was a slap in the face ... especially after all the recent talk about being more communicative. I'm glad you re-opened the thread, but if it'd been closed with a little bit more diplomacy I wouldn't have said a word.

Pete ... nobody likes being treated like children ... it really does come across as disrespectful, as though you guys really don't give a crap what people think.

Sorry if I came across harsh ... but if your staff are upfront with people, there's no reason to be afraid of them. Treat us right, and I doubt anybody'd complain. And if they did, I'd be first in line to defend the mod squad.

Give people a chance to do the right thing ... don't assume the worst unless they give you a reason to. I don't think that's asking too much.

You've had a recent shake-up in the staff ... a bunch of people got canned, and a few people got given new powers. There's a learning curve that comes with authority ... I think most folks understand that. Let's hope that in this case it's a short one ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[The Chairman]

Give people a chance to do the right thing ... don't assume the worst unless they give you a reason to. I don't think that's asking too much.

Good stuff here Bob... hopefully we will all learn from it.

A mistake was made. The second one does not rectify the first but lets hope it doesn't get repeated by the mods, nor over emphasized by the membership.

For EVERYONE...

The mods here (and on other forums) are not perfect. They try their best, but sometimes they will make a mistake and do something that is not in the best interest of ScubaBoard. Most if not all of these mistakes are completely reversible. There are at least two ways to approach these mistakes.

You can publicly decry the Mod and the management. I am not sure what this is supposed to do, except harass the volunteers and make them hesitant about ever moderating anything again. This is probably more entertaining in the long run at the expense of other's feelings.

Or...

You can PM me, send me an e-mail, pick up the phone and call me, Skype me or even use MSN Messenger to let me know that you think a Mod has done something wrong. This tells me that you are concerned about resolving the problem rather than just trying to embarrass us.

As for me... I have probably made my last post in this thread. If you really need a response from me, use the PM feature of the board. Thanks again for all who have displayed patience as we try to do the right thing and to correct the wrong things that we have done.

 

[DandyDon]

I unsubscribed from this thread because I thought it was turning into another chit-chat. I see that after 500 posts, ruffled feathers remain. I hate that. It happens, this is SB - not Utopia, but still hate it.

To the Mods who were retired from service recently: Thanks for your services in doing all you did for SB, the diving community, and the members.

To NetDoc and Admin: I thank you, too - for your best decisions and leadership. I may not always agree with you either, but I do respect that you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. I have not agreed with what you did to Me at times, but respect your decisions nonetheless.

And to the current Mods caught in the middle here: It's hell ain't it. My appreciation to you as well, and I'll try to keep my part of problems at a minimum.

Anyone who has been here for a while has seen actions and even changes they didn't like. Yeah, me too. I do hope the best for SB, the community, and each of your individually - especially the ones I don't like personally.

If this seems corny as hell, sorry - I get that way sometimes - but I do wish the best. If this seems like *** kissing, nope - just genuine appreciation and best wishes.

 

[Doubles]

Pete ... nobody likes being treated like children ... it really does come across as disrespectful, as though you guys really don't give a crap what people think.

Sorry if I came across harsh ... but if your staff are upfront with people, there's no reason to be afraid of them. Treat us right, and I doubt anybody'd complain. And if they did, I'd be first in line to defend the mod squad.

Bob I disagree - I see lots of folks acting like children and complaining - and they don't stop. Its over and over and over again with the same argument.

It would be one thing if those who complained made their issue in 5 posts or less. Beyond that it isn't an issue anymore, its just pure complaining. Can't say as I blame someone from trying to be anonymous when killing this thread.

I actually come around SB a lot less because of threads like this.

Like Don, I am unsubscribing from this post so I wont see any of your replies to this post

cya

 

[HowardE]

Bob I disagree - I see lots of folks acting like children and complaining - and they don't stop. Its over and over and over again with the same argument.

It would be one thing if those who complained made their issue in 5 posts or less. Beyond that it isn't an issue anymore, its just pure complaining. Can't say as I blame someone from trying to be anonymous when killing this thread.

I actually come around SB a lot less because of threads like this.

Like Don, I am unsubscribing from this post so I wont see any of your replies to this post

cya

That's the easiest way NOT to be bothered... If you don't like something... don't read it.

A lot of this thread has been people trying to suggest more open communication between the staff and members. That's the gist of this thread in a nutshell.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

That's the easiest way NOT to be bothered... If you don't like something... don't read it.

A lot of this thread has been people trying to suggest more open communication between the staff and members. That's the gist of this thread in a nutshell.

Communication between staff and members is important ... VERY important at this juncture because the trust relationship has been eroded, and needs to be repaired. Open communication is the ONLY way that's going to happen.

I actually come around SB a lot less because of threads like this.

The sad thing is that some people who used to be extremely VALUABLE members of this community do not come around SB AT ALL anymore ... because of the way they were treated by SB staff.

Where's Uncle Pug? Where's OE2X? Where's Snowbear? There are others ... those three just happen to be friends of mine who don't participate here anymore because of the disrespectful way they were treated.

And yes, it bugs the hell out of me that they're not here.

Last night I thought I had dealt with this issue ... directly, with Pete.

This morning I logged onto my e-mail to find a message from one of the senior staff, informing me that my password had been changed. Did he check with Pete first? Somehow I doubt it. I've been kicked off the board twice this morning ... just in the past two hours ... only to be "restored" a short time later. Some staff member is mucking around with my account without contacting me or discussing it with me ... probably more than one.

Is that "open communication"?

Some of these people are like little children, given a new book of matches, who just HAVE to play with fire.

It isn't the "complainers" who are damaging this board. It's people who have to learn how to use to use their authority responsibly ... and show a little courtesy when dealing with the people who post here. Either that, or drive them away.

You've already lost some of the better ones ... how many more do you have to lose before you figure that out?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[H2Andy]

time to not say anything nice about management ... again

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

time to not say anything nice about management ... again

That is not at all my intent.

If the staff treats me with courtesy, and uses their authority responsibly, I will go out of my way to say nice things. We've both been there ... it's a difficult job. All the more reason to use the authority judiciously ... and show some courtesy when dealing with board members.

Hate to beat a dead horse here ... but those with the power to do something about it aren't listening ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)