Is AOW allowable in Doubles?

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Same here and these people are dangerous. Got the false feeling of security a twinset has without actually understanding enough to be able to use the thing to improve safety. I see lots of people with twins who use them as "one big tank" as they cant do a valve drill.

lol, that's only if they remembered to check that the isolator was open..........not that I haven't seen that happen about a hundred times............lol.

That's what you get when you're minimum standard is so low for so long. A complete gaggle of agencies with the upper echelon having zero clue about what is truly needed, or at least admitting it and have the nads to change it.

Shoot, 100 scuba deaths or so a year in North America must be good enough, and I guess it is if you're not part of that group. :)

Really goes to prove how long you can dodge a bullet with minimal skill. The problem is the agencies are leveraging that one to the hilt and always ready to shift them blame elsewhere.


Warren:

Good to see you stopped teaching those AOW's.

It really is the only way to go for anyone with a clue AND a conscience.

Unfortunately the shop you're speaking of biggest problem is not the doubles or no doubles debate, but more so a pile of minimal standard morons with no clue about what safe means. And I have more than one written student comments plus personal observations to prove that without a doubt. I think Padi must love a little too much the amount of money that guy brings them, because they ain't stopping a thing.

Quality training in a time frame typically given by a shop is just not doable. You just end up butting heads or doing a shi44y job, neither of which will work more than once before you decide you're so conflicted with what is going on that you may as well just stop doing it.

Unless you have a seriously committed LDS owner, and quite frankly I have yet to see even one in our entire province willing to run a quality class, you will end up frustrated and then either quit or go out on your own, where you can do what you want, when you want, for whatever you feel is the appropriate amount of renumeration, and not have to worry about the typical BS that it seems to plague the industry.
 
I have heard from another NAUI instructor that he would teach AOW in doubles. It sounds like AOW still would need to be passed prior to more advanced (tech) training. Does anyone know if that's a Naui requirement for sure? Looking over the naui site requirements pages it seems so.
It sounds like this particular instructor has enough leeway (via Naui) to lean things a bit more towards tech than the usual AOW classes do so if I can work something out that appeals.
(We'll have to see if geographical distance and time issues can be conquered for both of us.)

I didn't expect to see 4 pages of this thread by the next morning! Looks like it will help others to establish what is and isn't agency policies in the "real world"... Thanks everyone.
 
I have heard from another NAUI instructor that he would teach AOW in doubles. It sounds like AOW still would need to be passed prior to more advanced (tech) training. Does anyone know if that's a Naui requirement for sure? Looking over the naui site requirements pages it seems so.
It sounds like this particular instructor has enough leeway (via Naui) to lean things a bit more towards tech than the usual AOW classes do so if I can work something out that appeals.
(We'll have to see if geographical distance and time issues can be conquered for both of us.)

I'm sorry I can't help you with the NAUI info, but as another fellow had eluded to earlier, in the brilliance that is TDI all you need is OW and a small handful of dives under your belt (well OK a nitrox class for one as well) and you're good to go for a decompression and advanced nitrox course.

I'm sure if I think long enough, I can come up with a reason for this insanity that doesn't evolve around a pyramid scheme at its base.

I guess for these cowboys, AOW doesn't enter into it. Evidently a minimum of OW, 1 day nitrox class, and 25 dives means they're not looking for much of a diver at all.

It's not like it doesn't show or anything. :shakehead:
 
It sounds like this particular instructor has enough leeway (via Naui) to lean things a bit more towards tech than the usual AOW classes do so if I can work something out that appeals.

The nice thing about NAUI is the ability to add stuff to your classes so if he's a tech oriented instructor he may lean his class toward tech stuff especially if a student is interested in going that route. It's worth the commute to get the class you want.

Steve R:
To simply own and dive a twin-set requires no such knowledge and in fact I know many twin-tank divers, some of who instruct, and they don't have a clue whats going on with them.
Hey now, I resemble that remark! Of course I'm just learning to dive the doubles and would not try to teach a class in them nor profess an ability to train anybody else in their use. A student who wanted to dive doubles in my AOW class and could prove they already knew how to dive them so I wouldn't have to train them in that aspect would be welcome to use them. I will find a way to challenge them in the class the same as I do my single tank divers.
Ber :lilbunny:
 
I have heard from another NAUI instructor that he would teach AOW in doubles. It sounds like AOW still would need to be passed prior to more advanced (tech) training. Does anyone know if that's a Naui requirement for sure? Looking over the naui site requirements pages it seems so.
It sounds like this particular instructor has enough leeway (via Naui) to lean things a bit more towards tech than the usual AOW classes do so if I can work something out that appeals.
(We'll have to see if geographical distance and time issues can be conquered for both of us.)

I didn't expect to see 4 pages of this thread by the next morning! Looks like it will help others to establish what is and isn't agency policies in the "real world"... Thanks everyone.


Many individual instructors will want you to have so much experience in the water along with atleast a rescue certification. My TDI instructor wanted me to be atleast rescue certified and he wanted to do some diving with me before he would consider letting me take any of his technical classes.
 
Hey now, I resemble that remark! Of course I'm just learning to dive the doubles and would not try to teach a class in them nor profess an ability to train anybody else in their use. A student who wanted to dive doubles in my AOW class and could prove they already knew how to dive them so I wouldn't have to train them in that aspect would be welcome to use them. I will find a way to challenge them in the class the same as I do my single tank divers.
Ber :lilbunny:

lol, no, you never crossed my mind, but I guess it's because from what I have seen I know you don't teach in twins :) That's your 'me' time stuff.

To be honest with you, it's because I have seen so many hosed up people trying to dive twins that I wrote up a course just for people that wanted to learn to dive them with some amount of understanding.

I couldn't stand it any longer to see people coming back white-knuckled because they ran out of gas but the gauge still read full,...etc etc etc..holy crap they were giving me gray hairs already. I had to do it.
 
One could, I believe, teach a NAUI entry level course using doubles for staff and students it that was your wish.
 
Just to clarify in case it was misunderstood...my TDI Basic Nitrox Instructor DID say that AOW cert. needed to be obtained prior to Advanced Nitrox/Deco Procedures training.

It looks like I have something in the works and we'll see if everything can be ironed out regarding
schedules, closer dive sites, etc. Hopefully it'll all work out.
From my tentative instructor, Naui does require AOW and Master Diver cert. prior to Tec.
 
One could, I believe, teach a NAUI entry level course using doubles for staff and students it that was your wish.

One could also teach PADI OW in doubles. However, I don't see the point in that. I'll be doing some teaching in sidemount, not OW though!
 

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