Integrated 2nd vs. Octo....Any Input?

[RAWalker]

"DUH how about simplicty and less drag?"

I would follow that argument if you could give me some empirical data as to how much gas one saves during a dive because of the deletion of one LP hose.

Could you provide me that information?

the K

I already gave you the answer to simplicity but I'll repeat it.
1 less hose translates to 3 less failure points. The connection of the hose to the first stage, the connection to the second stage and the failure of the hose itself.
As for the drag data it may be small but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand removing something decreases drag.

 

[RAWalker]

I'd buy into that reason if not for the fact that whenever I hear it, it's coming from someone who's bicycle kicking like mad, swimming with their hands, at a 45deg angle, over-weighted to the hilt, wearing a 10" bowie knife strapped to their calf and an ill-fitting BCD adorned with all manner of folding pockets, retractors, doo-dads, and gadgets.

Good thing they've eliminated that one hose, huh?

Well check out my kit seems the only thing you'd disagree with is the inflator/octo and I don't fit the rest of your description either. I use a inflator/octo on my wings with a SS backplate and deluxe harness that fits perfectly. I can hover and fin as well as anyone would need to.
I'm not saying that should make you a believer but if people reading this thread used your statement as a basis then maybe they'd like to know that I agree with the simpler more streamline thinking. Also if a pocket or retractor means they will have needed gear that is kept safely out of harms way and streamline by all means use it. Gear choice are personal and dependant upon your diving needs my general choices are perfect for everyone and sometime I even need to modify them for my needs on a specific dive.

 

[RAWalker]

I personally know of two people/divers who used the octo configuration and they are now dead. All the people that I know that use the intergrated 2nd are still alive.

Enough said.

Too Much Said...
And of course there couldn't get any other reason like poor training or out of practice.
This type of BS retoric just isn't needed.

 

[RAWalker]

I can tell you what the result is:

A. Separate octo makes for easier usage of both octo and inflator hose.

B. Inline octo makes for more convenient, streamlined packaging but at the expense of ease of usage.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Crush that nutshell!
After a longer learning curve and practice with the inline they are fine in use when properly set up and there are other advantages see my first post of this thread.

 

[Teamcasa]

"DUH how about simplicty and less drag?"

I would follow that argument if you could give me some empirical data as to how much gas one saves during a dive because of the deletion of one LP hose.

Could you provide me that information?

the K

You are kidding right?
Empirical data on the drag of diving gear? First off a diver is about as streamlined as a bulldozer.

For me, I dive with several folks that use an AIR2 (or the like). They are all good divers and they dive with good divers. Should someone run OOA and need a sip from a buddy, the total amount of time the AIR2 diver would need to be breathing off it is very limited indeed. So who really cares how tough or easy it breathes?

I use a standard Octo for three reasons.
The first, I already own it and it was not expensive.
Second, It is the same as my wifes, familiarity insures consistency.
Finally, I like to take a sip of her air from time to time, the Octo makes it easy.

All this blustering over AIR2 or not AIR2 is just that, blustering.

 

[promocop]

roger that!

 

[JonnyJ]

Be Carefull in choosing an integrated 2nd as with any bcd we turn it over after any dive and let the water drain out , but some ... not all, remains inside the bcd. this water is then stagnant, legionares sickness /illness loves stagnant water , and if you have the integrated type, so do you.
hope this helps

 

[Clammy]

64lbs a square foot...

Any reduced drag still translates to less effort. Just because we are bulldozers underwater doesn't mean we can't be a smaller bulldozer.

 

[Teamcasa]

64lbs a square foot...

Any reduced drag still translates to less effort. Just because we are bulldozers underwater doesn't mean we can't be a smaller bulldozer.

Says the guy in a drysuit and hoses all over the place...

(You know I just kidding you right? )

 

[Clammy]

Says the guy in a drysuit and hoses all over the place...

(You know I just kidding you right? )

The dry suit is a necessary evil... er... beautiful piece of equipment that keeps me nice and toasty warm!! The hoses are well kept and don't dangle! At least I hope!