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I use Depp insurance for my gear and for my camera equipment. They seem to have a pretty solid plan, a good reputation with sb member and they'll cover you anywhere in the world. The website doesn't seem to be working right now. Should be back up soon. http://www.equipmentprotection.com/
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The fine people at American Airlines helped themselves to my Dive Gear. Since it was an International flight American only paid me $750.00 for a couple thousand worth of gear. Screwed up my dive vacation too. Thankfully my homeowners, Allstate, covered everything but the deductable. Check with your insurance carrier!
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Dan has insurance for $99 that covers up to $4500 worth of equipment including cameras. They have I believe a $250 deductable. The trick with DAN is to make sure you list ALL you equipment when you apply on-line. Oherwise they charge you to add extra items to the policy.
mustfajohnson, just curious, was your gear bag lost or was gear stolen out of your bag?
Hey, just how good can airline security be when bags can still be lost or stolen?
I think that airlines should have strict liability for checked baggage and also if they lose more than a tiny amount should lose their license to operate as they have NO security.
If a bag can disapear (lost or stolen) then a bomb can be put on a plane.
I think that airlines should have strict liability for checked baggage and also if they lose more than a tiny amount should lose their license to operate as they have NO security.
If a bag can disapear (lost or stolen) then a bomb can be put on a plane.
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Thanks to the Homeland Security Act, airlines have even less liability for damage to your property than they ever did. A friend of mine recently had his baggage "inspected" ... they literally broke apart his video housing in order to "inspect" the camera inside. Legally, there wasn't diddly he could do about it ... there was no liability on the part of the airlines. He was even warned that if he protested too loudly he could be arrested as a potential security risk. The housing was totalled ... and it cost him about $2,500 to replace it.
Keep in mind these "security" jobs pay about $11 per hour, and are typically filled by semi-literate, semi-trained people. Furthermore, the law protects them from any liability for damage they incur as a result of incompetent "inspections".
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These articles should get you oriented:
I. From Sep '01 issue of Undercurrent http://www.undercurrent.org:
"When a Grouper Eats Your Computer theres insurance to cover it.
On a dive trip last year, one of our readers flooded his digital camera and housing. The Divers Equipment Protection Plan (DEPP) that insured him paid for cleaning and testing the housing. It also replaced the camera with a newer, more expensive model, since the model destroyed had been discontinued.
Debbie Lewis, of Chicago, IL, had her locked luggage broken into while flying on TACA. Her brand-new womens Dacor wetsuit; retail value $139, was missing. After the airline balked at replacing it, Deb told us that DEPP replaced it with the next, newer model within a week.
W h a t s the value of all the dive gear you travel with, including those expensive cameras? To replace it would be a major hurt, w o u l d n t it? Nearly every diver we have talked to tells us that DEPP provides excellent coverage at a reasonable price. However, before we tell you more about DEPP, consider your other options.
PADI and two DAN diver insurance plans cover gear lost or damaged because of a dive accident. However, even the most generous accident policy will pay no more than $2,500 for covered gear losses. As a homeowner or renter, your insurance policy may cover loss or theft of dive gear at locations other than your home. However, will your policy replace gear at its current cost? Many reimburse only the depreciated value, which doesnt mean much for a five-year-old regulator. And, your policies may have a deductible value, so they will only reimburse you for losses above a $500 or $1,000 threshold, for example.
If you recently charged your equipment, or even the trip, to a credit card, you may be covered for short periods up to modest limits. For example, American Express cards come with a Purchase Protection Plan that covers items purchased with the card for 90 days after purchase, up to $1,000 per occurrence, $50,000 per card member per policy year. Read your cardholder benefit statement. Clarify any uncertainties by calling your insurance agent or credit card customer service center.
Dive equipment insurance that is secondary to homeowners, renters and credit card benefits, can be purchased through companies such as Access America and Travel Guard. (Secondary means you must first apply to your primary insurer). Bundled typically with trip cancellation protection, these policies cover up to $1,000 of losses related to loss, theft or damage. Understand the particulars to avoid unpleasant surprises. For example, the practical effect of Travel Guard coverage is that if they steal your $1,500 camera from your hotel room, dont expect to see more than a $500 reimbursement.
Then there is DEPP, which is administered by Awry Enterprises, in Louisville, KY. DEPP standard plans range from $2,000 worth of coverage for $ 3 0 / y e a r, up to $20,000 worth of coverage for $270/year. They have a $25 deductible, per occurrence. You can purchase additional coverage for $10/year per $1,000 increment, with a surcharge of 4 percent on items worth more than $5,000, such as rebreathers and photo equipment.
Sandy Hall, vice president of Awry Enterprises, told Undercurrent that they have about $20 million of equipment under coverage. One European diver currently insures $80,000 worth of diving equipment.
DEPP policies cover gear loss, breakage, damage and theft worldwide. You submit an itemized list of equipment, but if you forget anything--even that automatic inflator on your BC--it wont be covered. And, dont expect cash reimbursement. The company, at its option, will either repair or replace your gear. You can add coverage for those frustrating and expensive camera floodings. This carries a deductible of 10 percent of the cost, not to exceed $250. The price is 4 percent of the value of your photographic gear, plus a 4 percent surcharge on more than $5,000. Flooded photographic gear will need to be shipped to a DEPP receiving center within five days of the accident to avoid a penalty.
However, Hall assured Undercurrent that they accommodate divers whose problems occur while theyre in a remote location where prompt return isnt feasible, or are not discovered until later
Another diver, Davida Hinton made three camera-related claims within the first year. A flooded sync cord and strobe, was repaired for $328, with my deductible being just 10 percent. Likewise for my Sea & Sea MMII EX-Pro that sustained chassis damage while on a dive boat, was about a $300 tab. All three repair facilities Ive been referred to have been very good to exceptional. Dealing with the people at DEPP and the repair facilities they use has been a pleasure.
As you might imagine, some unusual claims get submitted. Hall told us of one diver who flooded his brand new housing. Upon inspection, the repair facility found there were no o-rings anywhere in it. The diver thought that the case was already equipped with o-rings and never inserted what he thought were backup o-rings that accompanied the case.
Then there is the diver who flooded his Nikonos, which DEPP repaired. The next time diving, he returned to the surface with his Nikonos again flooded. Someone on the boat remembered seeing him put a roll of film into his BC pocket. Seems that after he shot up a roll of film, he had been popping open the back of his camera underwater and replacing the spent roll with a fresh one.
Both divers, Hall said, had their errors covered. One diver we talked with, however, was unhappy with the policy and stopped his coverage. About two years ago in Baja the car was stolen along with all my equipment. I split the claim between my homeowners and DEPP. Within a week, I settled with my home insurer. It took DEPP at least two weeks to decide whether they would even honor the claim since I had no police report. After six months, I received most of the items less my personal wetsuit. They tried to match exactly what I listed. Some of their vendors did have the items in stock, but they held delivery until the unstocked items came in to save on shipping. I ended up with fins with too-small foot pockets and weight belts five sizes too big. They replaced my vintage Nikonos II with a 28-mm lens and bracket with a Nikonos III minus lens and brackets (I only listed the camera on my application didnt say lens). The total claim was for $2,500.
Yes, for a loss to be reimbursed, you must have listed the component. In this divers case, his failure to obtain a police report of the theft clearly hindered his claim. To prove a loss, when a formal police report is unobtainable, a notarized letter from hotel security or a dive operator, for example, may be accepted. If you accidentally drop a piece of insured equipment while diving, and it cannot reasonably be retrieved, obtain documentation such as a letter from the dive boat captain.
Of course, the company expects policyholders to take reasonable steps to protect their gear. If your gear is lifted after youve left it in your unlocked car during a Bonaire shore dive, dont anticipate a successful claim.
For more information, contact:
D E P P : h t t p : / / w w w. e q u i p m e n t p r otection.
com/page10.html. 760-674-8
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PADI: h t t p :/ /w w w. d i v e i n s u r a n c e . c o m .
7 1 4 - 7 3 9 - 3 1 7 7 / 8 0 0 - 2 2 3 - 9 9 9 8
Access America: h t t p : / / w w w. e t r a v e l-p
r o t e c t i o n . c o m / s e rv l e t / WA S C P u r e .
8 0 0 - 2 8 4 - 8 3 0 0
Travel Guard : h t t p : / / w w w. t r a v e l-guard.
com. 800-826-1304"
II. From the June '02 edition of Undercurrent:
"In November, the Divers Alert Network cast its everwidening insurance net to create a policy to cover dive gear and cameras. Termed the H2Oinsurance.com Dive Equipment Insurance Program, it offers coverage to DAN members who are residents of 48 states (Sorry, Alaska and South Dakota). Effective worldwide, the policy insures against loss or damage to just about any equipment divers might be wearing or using.
Premiums are based on the total declared value. They require serial numbers at the time of enrollment for any item insured for more than $2500. They cover items to the declared amount; they pay the lesser of the cost of replacing or restoring the equipment to its condition at the time of the loss. With H2O, a $100 deductible is standard unless the claim is for water damage; then its the greater of 10 percent of the claim or $250. Low-value items such as gloves, booties, knives, dive bags, camera filters, etc., may be declared as Miscellaneous Equipment at an aggregate amount up to $500.
How does the H2O coverage compare with DEPP (Dive Equipment Protection Plan), a program thoroughly reviewed in our September 2001 issue? The most striking difference is that the DAN plan sends you a check based on the cost of restoring or replacing your loss. Duncan Jones, an administrator of the H2O plan, told Undercurrent. This supports the important relationship between the diver and his local dive shop. On the other hand, DEPP, at its option, will either arrange for repair or replacement your gear. Dont expect to see any money.
There is a large variance in the basic coverage and the corresponding premium under each plan. The minimum premium with H2O is $100 and covers up to $6,667 worth of gear. DEPP carries a minimum premium of $30 to insure up to $2,000 worth of equipment. There is a four percent surcharge on equipment
valued at more than $5,000. Standard deductible amounts are $25 for DEPP and $100 for H2O.
If you want to insure photographic gear, note that each plan differs and youll need to compare the costs and benefits. H2Os deductible for flooding covers all damaged camera components, while the DEPP policy says that if the camera itself, the lens, and the strobe are flooded, youll pay the deductible on each.
Bad luggage karma? Be aware that DEPP enrollment includes $150 in reimbursement for rental gear needed due missing baggage while H2O makes no such provision.
And, if you like expensive watches, fine print in DEPPs policy states that to be insurable, dive watches must be designed for and exclusively used for diving and dive-related activities. They limit benefits for dive watches to $500. Your Rolex Oyster is not likely to make the cut. H2O does not have this limitation.
In our review of the DEPP policy in September 2001, we found that nearly all divers were satisfied with the speed and substance of DEPPs claim handling."
Hope this proves useful.
DocVikingo
I. From Sep '01 issue of Undercurrent http://www.undercurrent.org:
"When a Grouper Eats Your Computer theres insurance to cover it.
On a dive trip last year, one of our readers flooded his digital camera and housing. The Divers Equipment Protection Plan (DEPP) that insured him paid for cleaning and testing the housing. It also replaced the camera with a newer, more expensive model, since the model destroyed had been discontinued.
Debbie Lewis, of Chicago, IL, had her locked luggage broken into while flying on TACA. Her brand-new womens Dacor wetsuit; retail value $139, was missing. After the airline balked at replacing it, Deb told us that DEPP replaced it with the next, newer model within a week.
W h a t s the value of all the dive gear you travel with, including those expensive cameras? To replace it would be a major hurt, w o u l d n t it? Nearly every diver we have talked to tells us that DEPP provides excellent coverage at a reasonable price. However, before we tell you more about DEPP, consider your other options.
PADI and two DAN diver insurance plans cover gear lost or damaged because of a dive accident. However, even the most generous accident policy will pay no more than $2,500 for covered gear losses. As a homeowner or renter, your insurance policy may cover loss or theft of dive gear at locations other than your home. However, will your policy replace gear at its current cost? Many reimburse only the depreciated value, which doesnt mean much for a five-year-old regulator. And, your policies may have a deductible value, so they will only reimburse you for losses above a $500 or $1,000 threshold, for example.
If you recently charged your equipment, or even the trip, to a credit card, you may be covered for short periods up to modest limits. For example, American Express cards come with a Purchase Protection Plan that covers items purchased with the card for 90 days after purchase, up to $1,000 per occurrence, $50,000 per card member per policy year. Read your cardholder benefit statement. Clarify any uncertainties by calling your insurance agent or credit card customer service center.
Dive equipment insurance that is secondary to homeowners, renters and credit card benefits, can be purchased through companies such as Access America and Travel Guard. (Secondary means you must first apply to your primary insurer). Bundled typically with trip cancellation protection, these policies cover up to $1,000 of losses related to loss, theft or damage. Understand the particulars to avoid unpleasant surprises. For example, the practical effect of Travel Guard coverage is that if they steal your $1,500 camera from your hotel room, dont expect to see more than a $500 reimbursement.
Then there is DEPP, which is administered by Awry Enterprises, in Louisville, KY. DEPP standard plans range from $2,000 worth of coverage for $ 3 0 / y e a r, up to $20,000 worth of coverage for $270/year. They have a $25 deductible, per occurrence. You can purchase additional coverage for $10/year per $1,000 increment, with a surcharge of 4 percent on items worth more than $5,000, such as rebreathers and photo equipment.
Sandy Hall, vice president of Awry Enterprises, told Undercurrent that they have about $20 million of equipment under coverage. One European diver currently insures $80,000 worth of diving equipment.
DEPP policies cover gear loss, breakage, damage and theft worldwide. You submit an itemized list of equipment, but if you forget anything--even that automatic inflator on your BC--it wont be covered. And, dont expect cash reimbursement. The company, at its option, will either repair or replace your gear. You can add coverage for those frustrating and expensive camera floodings. This carries a deductible of 10 percent of the cost, not to exceed $250. The price is 4 percent of the value of your photographic gear, plus a 4 percent surcharge on more than $5,000. Flooded photographic gear will need to be shipped to a DEPP receiving center within five days of the accident to avoid a penalty.
However, Hall assured Undercurrent that they accommodate divers whose problems occur while theyre in a remote location where prompt return isnt feasible, or are not discovered until later
Another diver, Davida Hinton made three camera-related claims within the first year. A flooded sync cord and strobe, was repaired for $328, with my deductible being just 10 percent. Likewise for my Sea & Sea MMII EX-Pro that sustained chassis damage while on a dive boat, was about a $300 tab. All three repair facilities Ive been referred to have been very good to exceptional. Dealing with the people at DEPP and the repair facilities they use has been a pleasure.
As you might imagine, some unusual claims get submitted. Hall told us of one diver who flooded his brand new housing. Upon inspection, the repair facility found there were no o-rings anywhere in it. The diver thought that the case was already equipped with o-rings and never inserted what he thought were backup o-rings that accompanied the case.
Then there is the diver who flooded his Nikonos, which DEPP repaired. The next time diving, he returned to the surface with his Nikonos again flooded. Someone on the boat remembered seeing him put a roll of film into his BC pocket. Seems that after he shot up a roll of film, he had been popping open the back of his camera underwater and replacing the spent roll with a fresh one.
Both divers, Hall said, had their errors covered. One diver we talked with, however, was unhappy with the policy and stopped his coverage. About two years ago in Baja the car was stolen along with all my equipment. I split the claim between my homeowners and DEPP. Within a week, I settled with my home insurer. It took DEPP at least two weeks to decide whether they would even honor the claim since I had no police report. After six months, I received most of the items less my personal wetsuit. They tried to match exactly what I listed. Some of their vendors did have the items in stock, but they held delivery until the unstocked items came in to save on shipping. I ended up with fins with too-small foot pockets and weight belts five sizes too big. They replaced my vintage Nikonos II with a 28-mm lens and bracket with a Nikonos III minus lens and brackets (I only listed the camera on my application didnt say lens). The total claim was for $2,500.
Yes, for a loss to be reimbursed, you must have listed the component. In this divers case, his failure to obtain a police report of the theft clearly hindered his claim. To prove a loss, when a formal police report is unobtainable, a notarized letter from hotel security or a dive operator, for example, may be accepted. If you accidentally drop a piece of insured equipment while diving, and it cannot reasonably be retrieved, obtain documentation such as a letter from the dive boat captain.
Of course, the company expects policyholders to take reasonable steps to protect their gear. If your gear is lifted after youve left it in your unlocked car during a Bonaire shore dive, dont anticipate a successful claim.
For more information, contact:
D E P P : h t t p : / / w w w. e q u i p m e n t p r otection.
com/page10.html. 760-674-8
6 5 5 / 8 8 8 - 6 7 8 - 4 0 9 6
PADI: h t t p :/ /w w w. d i v e i n s u r a n c e . c o m .
7 1 4 - 7 3 9 - 3 1 7 7 / 8 0 0 - 2 2 3 - 9 9 9 8
Access America: h t t p : / / w w w. e t r a v e l-p
r o t e c t i o n . c o m / s e rv l e t / WA S C P u r e .
8 0 0 - 2 8 4 - 8 3 0 0
Travel Guard : h t t p : / / w w w. t r a v e l-guard.
com. 800-826-1304"
II. From the June '02 edition of Undercurrent:
"In November, the Divers Alert Network cast its everwidening insurance net to create a policy to cover dive gear and cameras. Termed the H2Oinsurance.com Dive Equipment Insurance Program, it offers coverage to DAN members who are residents of 48 states (Sorry, Alaska and South Dakota). Effective worldwide, the policy insures against loss or damage to just about any equipment divers might be wearing or using.
Premiums are based on the total declared value. They require serial numbers at the time of enrollment for any item insured for more than $2500. They cover items to the declared amount; they pay the lesser of the cost of replacing or restoring the equipment to its condition at the time of the loss. With H2O, a $100 deductible is standard unless the claim is for water damage; then its the greater of 10 percent of the claim or $250. Low-value items such as gloves, booties, knives, dive bags, camera filters, etc., may be declared as Miscellaneous Equipment at an aggregate amount up to $500.
How does the H2O coverage compare with DEPP (Dive Equipment Protection Plan), a program thoroughly reviewed in our September 2001 issue? The most striking difference is that the DAN plan sends you a check based on the cost of restoring or replacing your loss. Duncan Jones, an administrator of the H2O plan, told Undercurrent. This supports the important relationship between the diver and his local dive shop. On the other hand, DEPP, at its option, will either arrange for repair or replacement your gear. Dont expect to see any money.
There is a large variance in the basic coverage and the corresponding premium under each plan. The minimum premium with H2O is $100 and covers up to $6,667 worth of gear. DEPP carries a minimum premium of $30 to insure up to $2,000 worth of equipment. There is a four percent surcharge on equipment
valued at more than $5,000. Standard deductible amounts are $25 for DEPP and $100 for H2O.
If you want to insure photographic gear, note that each plan differs and youll need to compare the costs and benefits. H2Os deductible for flooding covers all damaged camera components, while the DEPP policy says that if the camera itself, the lens, and the strobe are flooded, youll pay the deductible on each.
Bad luggage karma? Be aware that DEPP enrollment includes $150 in reimbursement for rental gear needed due missing baggage while H2O makes no such provision.
And, if you like expensive watches, fine print in DEPPs policy states that to be insurable, dive watches must be designed for and exclusively used for diving and dive-related activities. They limit benefits for dive watches to $500. Your Rolex Oyster is not likely to make the cut. H2O does not have this limitation.
In our review of the DEPP policy in September 2001, we found that nearly all divers were satisfied with the speed and substance of DEPPs claim handling."
Hope this proves useful.
DocVikingo
I purchased an additional policy from State Farm. I insured close to $3000 worht of camera equipment for close to $50 per year. There is a deductible but I'm not sure how much, seems like $100. But I don't remember. I have not had a claim yet but they have treated me great on all of my other claims. They replaced all of my land camera gear with brand new stuff several years ago in an auto accident. I hope I never use the insurance but...
Joe
Joe
Went with PADI's insurance. I figure they must get a commission or something and I want to support their organization. Price was fair.
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