Instructors - what is acceptable for a verified dive log?

[ucfdiver]

Who cares how many dives a diver has? You can tell within 2 minutes of hitting the water (if not just while gearing up) who the good and bad divers are. I think checking logbooks is retarded, check skill instead.

 

[Azza]

Who cares how many dives a diver has? You can tell within 2 minutes of hitting the water (if not just while gearing up) who the good and bad divers are. I think checking logbooks is retarded, check skill instead.

A diver cannot take the PADI Rescue course until 25 dives so it has to be checked by the instructor before commencing the class...

 

[ucfdiver]

A diver cannot take the PADI Rescue course until 25 dives so it has to be checked by the instructor before commencing the class...

I still don't see why there's a requirement. You can either pass the dives or you can't.

 

[Azza]

I still don't see why there's a requirement. You can either pass the dives or you can't.

I think the idea is that they want a diver to get out and get some experience before taking the course...not that 15 dives counts for much but maybe it would get them a little more used to their equipment...I dunno, I don't make the rules but I have to follow them

 

[fisherdvm]

A diver cannot take the PADI Rescue course until 25 dives so it has to be checked by the instructor before commencing the class...

Actually, it said a minimum of 20 dives with experience in navigation. Advanced open water or equivalent is still required.

20 dives is not alot. That is like 11 dives outside of OW and AOW. I basically see it as you are barely aware of your gear configuration and operation until you reached about 50. So the requirement simply say, if you can't take care of yourself in the water, ie "self rescue". Why in the heck are you worried about taking care of another person. The navigation part is because you have to demonstrate search and rescue methods both in the pool and in OW. If you have not had these skills, no rescue instructors are willing to teach you in the already information laden class.

I know that SSI exempt you from AOW before entry into rescue, but from what I understand, it leaves it up to the instructor to decide who enters. From what I've read that other experienced, some instructor required AOW before entry also.

 

[String]

I still don't see why there's a requirement. You can either pass the dives or you can't.

You end up with divers that are squared away in drills and theory but lack any real world experience what so ever and that's not a good thing.

Experience is absolutely vital in diving.

I'd rather dive with someone on a difficult dive that had done similar 100 times before than someone that ramped through all the training courses but has never actually dived without an instructor being with them as all their diving has been under instruction.

The first bit of rescue is being able to look after yourself. That isn't just learning how to release a cramp and so on. Most problems are solved by thinking and experience which means you dont get into those situations to start with. You get to develop a technique for checking the instruments, get a feeling for what is and isnt a good idea regarding conditions, site choice,capabilities and so on and none of that can really be drilled in as part of a course. It's all about making an informed decision based on experience.

 

[Azza]

I basically see it as you are barely aware of your gear configuration and operation until you reached about 50.

Slow learner eh?

I was well comfortable with my gear by 20 dives....

 

[c-snake]

who haven't logged a dive since 1981.

My daughter was going for her first OW dive in December and asked me to go along. I couldn't pass up that opportunity, and felt like this would be a good way to get back in the water after about a seven year hiatus.
I had a great time, I can't believe I had lost interest in this sport!

Anyway, we were going through my logbook and I spent some time remembering all the good times.

Why the he!! didn't I continue to log dives? All those experiences and good friends are lost in this clouded memory bank of mine.

My best guess is I have 1000 dives or so and quit logging at about 110. I really wish I had recorded all the remaining dives.

My old log had only one line for each dive, I am going to look for one that has a page per dive. I don't care if it gets thick, I want to have all the notes and comments as well as dive stats. I still like the hand written type the best.

 

[fisherdvm]

Slow learner eh?

I was well comfortable with my gear by 20 dives....

Yeh, it took me almost 12 years to complete colelge, and I still can hardly spell...

 

[DiverBizz]

I went on an easy shore dive with 2 individuals who were taking their instructors course. At 25 feet the spot where I wanted to (planned ahead of time) stop to practice with my new camera set up, they dropped down like a ton of bricks silt surrounded us and gone was the photo op was gone. I could not believe the lack of skill these two divers. I am PADI certified and proud to say they would earn an opportunity to instruct from my PADI instructor.