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Kangy:
wow, now it's funny to me that I found an argument over a $70 piece of life support equipment here of all places. I'm pretty sure that if your getting into this type of diving you have already realized that tech diving isn't exactly a cheap hobby to take up. Being willing to invest in tech and throwing down thousands dollars on equipment then complaining about the cost of a quality gauge just seems kind of ironic to me.

I totally agree that tech diving is an expensive hobby but it can be made cheaper by finding the right sources to buy from like NESS, Soggy, Divers Supply, TDL, DSS or Scuba Toys. The guy was asking where to find a good deal on a SPG. When he wants to dive the Doria off a Kayak then lay into him.
 
I wasn't necessarily knocking the originator of this thread. That was a general comment about the overal vibe from this thread. Nothing wrong with looking for a good deal. I'm a bargain hunter myself, but when 8/10 posts/responses in a thread turn into an arguement over a few bucks it just seems like it went from helpful to bickering
 
Kangy:
wow, now it's funny to me that I found an argument over a $70 piece of life support equipment here of all places. I'm pretty sure that if your getting into this type of diving you have already realized that tech diving isn't exactly a cheap hobby to take up. Being willing to invest in tech and throwing down thousands dollars on equipment then complaining about the cost of a quality gauge just seems kind of ironic to me.

Wow, now it's even funnier to me that you are upset about a thread with an overall vibe of bickering that is not helpful to the OP so you decide to put in your post that consists of bickering that is not helpful to the OP.

And I'm pretty sure next time you buy a piece of gear you won't be sending me an extra $20 but you really should because, ya know, this is an expensive hobby and it's life support we're talking about.
 
Kangy:
I wasn't necessarily knocking the originator of this thread. That was a general comment about the overal vibe from this thread. Nothing wrong with looking for a good deal. I'm a bargain hunter myself, but when 8/10 posts/responses in a thread turn into an arguement over a few bucks it just seems like it went from helpful to bickering

Oh, and you're post was just so helpful? What valuable information did you provide for the OP? The overall vibe of the thread was about looking for a good deal except for the few like you trying to imply that people shouldn't exercise basic consumerism because it's an expensive hobby. Yes you were knocking the originator of the thread when you spoke down about "complaining about the cost of a quality gauge".
 
mthirsc:
... However I almost died since there is no red zone to tell me when to go up ;) ...

ROFL!!
 
Man! I thought this thread was dead! First let me say thanks to everyone who's responded, good, bad, and ugly. I'm not afraid of a spirited debate, in fact I love it. I'd rather someone skirt the bounds of impropriety with free expression than leave something left unsaid because they were afraid of hurting my feelings.

I'm still surprised, though, at how many people seem to be missing the point. Some of you get it, some apparently don't.

Robert Phillips:
...something as important as this device should not be obtained 'as cheap as you can find'...

Of course it should! As long as the quality is the same. Now this is making some assumptions about what I meant by "decent quality" and what he meant by "as cheap as you can find", so I'll give this guy the benefit of the doubt.

Robert Phillips:
...finding the cheapest SPG and finding a quality SPG at a good price are two entirely different things.

P.S., I did read the original post and understand that he recognised the difference.

See? I think Robert gets it, so I'm a little curious as to why he seemed to be defending Quarrior.

Kangy:
wow, now it's funny to me that I found an argument over a $70 piece of life support equipment here of all places. I'm pretty sure that if your getting into this type of diving you have already realized that tech diving isn't exactly a cheap hobby to take up. Being willing to invest in tech and throwing down thousands dollars on equipment then complaining about the cost of a quality gauge just seems kind of ironic to me.

Now this guy seems to be totally missing the point. It's interesting that his figure of $70 is just about halfway between the lowest and highest prices I've found. His assumptions about me "getting into this type of diving" and my willingness to be "throwing down thousands..." can, I suppose, be explained by the fact that most people who read the Hog board are into tech. Fair enough. But I thought Hog was about configuring you gear in a simple, robust way, not about how it's used.

ams511:
I think this comment is offense to the OP and uncalled for. Why didn't you just call him a stroke and save your sarcastic words. People like you give DIR a bad reputation.

Dude! Chill!:D FYI, I'm not offended in any way, and all comments are officially called for! You call that sarcasm? I'm reminded of the line in, what was it? The Wild One? Rebel Without a Cause? Anyway, the straights are beating up the cool kid, and he says, "My daddy used to hit harder than that!" And I don't know how DIR even got into this, except for all those not-so-poorly-founded assumptions, like brass 'n' glass SPG = Hog = Tech = DIR. But don't get me wrong, it's apparent that ams511 is my friend.

Kangy:
I wasn't necessarily knocking the originator of this thread. That was a general comment about the overal vibe from this thread. Nothing wrong with looking for a good deal. I'm a bargain hunter myself, but when 8/10 posts/responses in a thread turn into an arguement over a few bucks it just seems like it went from helpful to bickering

The meta-post! But really, it's not over a few bucks. The price difference I've seen is over 100% of the lowest price. OK, maybe that's "only" about fifty bucks, but still, geez, what do you guys do for a living? For me, fifty bucks is a lot!

OK, I'm not even going to quote ReefHound. I mean, thanks for your support, but let's not get into, well, never mind. It seems to me that both Kangy and ReefHound get the point (well, I'm not sure about Kangy), they just digressed into a discussion of the discussion. Something I'd NEVER do.;)

Here's what I mean by "getting it". We're talking about one of the simplest, most basic pieces of gear in this whole endeavor (SCUBA diving). I may be wrong, but it seems pretty clear that there's a factory over in Italy that makes these things for several different brands. If I could get one direct from the factory, that would be the best, but apparently nobody here does that. Maybe they don't sell direct, maybe we just don't know how. OK, so of the gauges that I CAN get, which best fits my needs? (as if anybody actually needs any of this stuff) What am I looking for?

I want a top-quality gauge! The BEST! I want the one with the thickest-gauge metal housing, the highest quality glass, the optimum Bourdon tube, jeweled bearings, triple plated, H1 threads, viton o-rings, super-unobtanium mega-turbo electroids! I want a 2-1/2" gauge with a simple, easy to read, glow-in-the-dark face.

Yeah, whatever. They're all made by the same factory to the same specs. You want the one with the smiling fish that takes up so much space on the face that it's hard to read, the one with eighteen different color gradients, the one that costs 100% more, or the one that's everything the other ones are inside, only you're paying for a gauge, not Silvio's Ferrari.

People who unquestioningly pay more for brand identity, false security, and needless bells and whistles make it harder for us who only want to pay a fair price for simple, high-quality basics. That's why I posted in the Hog forum.
 
I realize that Parrot-Head Red is made in the same brewery as Ranier. What I mean is, just because they're made in the same factory does not mean an XS Scuba gauge is the same quality as a Halcyon (who, we all know, has never had any quality issues). Just like they can spec different face graphics, they may spec different workings (What?!? No super-turbo unobtanium electroids?!?) What I was hoping you knowledgeable people could tell me is...

How can I get the best gauge for the best price?

I'm disappointed that nobody seems to know, and shocked that so few seem to care, or even appreciate the difference.

I guess I was expecting somebody to say, "Here's the snail-mail address of the place you can get the same gauge Jesse the Body Ventura uses, only you have to write in Italian." I mean, really, how much lower than $40 do I expect to pay?

I was kind of surprised that none of the "don't be cheap on your safety" guys had no response to the guy who bought a used gauge on E-bay.
 
ams511:
I think this comment is offense to the OP and uncalled for. Why didn't you just call him a stroke and save your sarcastic words. People like you give DIR a bad reputation.
Whoa, guy! You need to check yourself there. You need to learn what 'tongue in cheek' means before you start insulting people. People like you need to pay attention to smilies and not get your white cotton panties in a wad over something you don't understand.
Give DIR a bad name? Nice try. You should listen to your friend.
 
Robert Phillips:
Whoa, guy! You need to check yourself there. You need to learn what 'tongue in cheek' means before you start insulting people. People like you need to pay attention to smilies and not get your white cotton panties in a wad over something you don't understand.
Give DIR a bad name? Nice try. You should listen to your friend.

No, you should check yourself and your comments. The OP asked where can he find a decent gauge cheap. I gave him a link to a reputable shop that sells quality gear at reasonable prices. What did you add to the post, nothing but sarcasm. A "smile" does not negate your comments. Perhaps you should read the post "Why is DIR so conterversial" people like you add to the controversy.
 
sambolino44:
What I mean is, just because they're made in the same factory does not mean an XS Scuba gauge is the same quality as a Halcyon (who, we all know, has never had any quality issues).

Not to end our friendship :) but Halcyon did have quality issues, it comes with outsourcing. Look up past threads on their sticky inflator problem. BTW, my gear is Halcyon.

From what my understanding is the brass and glass gauges vary only by the printing on the face and nothing else. IMHO, the older OMS gauges with the face in bar and PSI have the best graphics. Sometimes it is more cost effective in manufacturing to keep the specs the same in order to save on tooling costs than to change the specs on the product.

BTW, Salvo, Oxycheq, and Scubamax regulators are the same also made in a factory in Taiwan. The first two are respected names the last is less so.
 

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