In search of octo holder that actually works
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I hope you know I was kidding about the airsource3.
I had decent luck with these before I went to a bungee necklace.
http://a.co/i6WoEu7
(I wouldn't go back from my bungee.)
Before I switched to the bungee'd 2nd, I used something like this. It worked OK
https://smile.amazon.com/Scuba-Choi...94218855&sr=1-7&keywords=scuba+regulator+clip
https://smile.amazon.com/Scuba-Choi...94218855&sr=1-7&keywords=scuba+regulator+clip
Stresses the hose and it's not easily visible from the front (I've been putting it on right hip D ring, not chest D ring). Those are the only reasons. Those of you getting all worked up about it and saying to switch shops/instructors are overreacting. GUE goes all standard, why is it a bad thing if an "mainstream" instructor wants the octo up front and visible on a more "mainstream" method?
Sheesh, next thing you're going to tell me I'm going to die because I'm diving splits with a drysuit, and I'm not going to be able to propel myself through the water well enough.Balderdash!
My knees don't hurt for the first time while diving, and that's the most important thing.
With the greatest of respect - if you are so keen to follow the wishes of the instructor why not ask him/her how to solve this problem? People are giving you their advice and you are ignoring it because you believe in what the instructor is saying - given you are paying him/her surely that is the person to ask.
You are literally discounting every reasonable suggestion for ridiculous and spurious reasons. Anyone who thinks that people won't see the yellow alternate airsource because a small part of the hose is hidden should not be diving. And they need a stick and a specially trained dog to walk down the street. Similarly, the "stress" put on the (consumable) hose is so insignificant large companies produce equipment encouraging this very practice...
MichaelMc
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Huh? I'm pretty sure she said 1) she has to go 'octo keeper' just for this class, 2) she would try the snorkel keeper method.
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You already have one: Your right shoulder D-ring. Bend the octo hose 180 degrees close to the reg and stuff the bend into the D-ring from below. That's what most people do around here.
Alternatively, buy one of these, clip it to your right shoulder D-ring and stuff the hose bend into it.
If you really don't want to bend the hose, you could stuff the mouthpiece into it instead. But I've never heard about anyone getting problems with their octo hose by that bend.
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Evolution in diving...
Back in the old days, a diver only had a single 2nd stage on his set. One of the skills to be mastered was buddy-breathing. Then some support divers came up with the idea of attaching a second reg to their 1st stage, making it way easier to supply air under water without the stress of sharing a single reg. The recreational industry adopted it and over two decades ago it was standardized. Buddy breathing was no longer a skill requirement in the Open Water course.
Then some divers came up with the idea of attaching one regulator with a bungee around your neck while breathing from the other regulator. It had the advantages that you never have to search for the other regulator and someone who is OOA will likely not come up to you and waste time giving you all the hand signals, but will grab the reg from your mouth. That one is working and the diver in distress can see that.
Also in this situation, you don't have to start breathing out into the water, while searching for an octopus or recovering a regulator from behind your shoulder. The first thing you do is put your bungeed regulator in your mouth, breathe normally and then recover your other regulator. Less stress.
The bungeed regulator is still in the triangle between your mouth and hips. No folded hoses. No delays by clips that might get stuck, no chances of sand in a reg that was accidentally dragged over the bottom. Only advantages.
Instructors teaching in longhose/bungee setup can demonstrate their students both methods. To demonstrate the reg-recovery during confined, use a bungee you can remove from the mouthpiece. It's then the same as the student has, same hose length. Skill demonstration will be according to standards.
The recreational industry is slowly evolving. It will eventually become the standard. The skills taught in Open Water like recovering a regulator from behind the shoulder will evolve into the S-drill. It just takes time, and the instructors teaching both methods are paving the road for this evolution.
Back in the old days, a diver only had a single 2nd stage on his set. One of the skills to be mastered was buddy-breathing. Then some support divers came up with the idea of attaching a second reg to their 1st stage, making it way easier to supply air under water without the stress of sharing a single reg. The recreational industry adopted it and over two decades ago it was standardized. Buddy breathing was no longer a skill requirement in the Open Water course.
Then some divers came up with the idea of attaching one regulator with a bungee around your neck while breathing from the other regulator. It had the advantages that you never have to search for the other regulator and someone who is OOA will likely not come up to you and waste time giving you all the hand signals, but will grab the reg from your mouth. That one is working and the diver in distress can see that.
Also in this situation, you don't have to start breathing out into the water, while searching for an octopus or recovering a regulator from behind your shoulder. The first thing you do is put your bungeed regulator in your mouth, breathe normally and then recover your other regulator. Less stress.
The bungeed regulator is still in the triangle between your mouth and hips. No folded hoses. No delays by clips that might get stuck, no chances of sand in a reg that was accidentally dragged over the bottom. Only advantages.
Instructors teaching in longhose/bungee setup can demonstrate their students both methods. To demonstrate the reg-recovery during confined, use a bungee you can remove from the mouthpiece. It's then the same as the student has, same hose length. Skill demonstration will be according to standards.
The recreational industry is slowly evolving. It will eventually become the standard. The skills taught in Open Water like recovering a regulator from behind the shoulder will evolve into the S-drill. It just takes time, and the instructors teaching both methods are paving the road for this evolution.
As I dive a DH frequently, I too need to do something other than a bungied octo (despite it being my preference) when I'm not on my single hose gear. I've found that it is more about the composition of the mouthpiece than most of the holders being ineffective. The flimsy silicone ones (which I also hate as they don't want to stay in my mouth without conscious effort) are problems as the "ears" collapse. Ones like the sea-cure with the "web" seem stay in well, but the inexpensive snorkel keeper (and a snap) is a great solution.
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Funny, how the "Golden Triangle" vanishes when you are actually in a trim diving position.
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