IDC Utila vs Roatan (HELP!)

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I am looking to do my idc in honduras in January. I am torn between utila and roatan. Any suggestions. Here's what I'm taking into consideration:

- location (where is the best diving, cost of living, does the shop go to the best places, best place to live)
- class size (would like it to be small, did my DMT at a large place in Phi Phi Thailand and would like something smaller and more intimate for my IDC)
- work opps (is roatan easier or better to get work in or vice versa hoping to find employment asap)
- shop rep (i want somewhere relaxed, but that takes the idc seriously, not just a source of income, and somewhere professional)

I was looking into Deep Blue in Utila and Subway in Roatan, but am open to any other suggestions. Looked at UDC but was warned it was a Instructor factory similar to ones in Phuket.

Oh, should i book in advance since January courses book fast or should i wait to visit the place???

Thanks so much!!!
 
Utila is definitely the cheaper of the islands and there are some nice places to live. I had a nice sized apartment with hot water, full sized fridge, stove, balcony for $200/month plus electricity. I'm not sure which island can guarantee employment. Email the schools that you are interested in going to and talk to the course directors there. They can help you with any and all questions you have.

On Utila, other than UDC, there is Deep Blue which you have mentioned and Bay Islands College of Diving. I dove with BICD and know Jungle the course director. He helped me with my theory portion of my DM. I found him and the other staff to be fantastic. The largest IDC class he had while I was on the islands was 4 people.

I don't know much about how Phil from Deep Blue conducts his IDC but he has a very good reputation as well.

But email all the places, get a sense of whats best by talking to the course directors as they are the ones who are going to be there teaching you! Good luck and have a blast!
 
I Run small classes in Roatan at Coconut Tree.

In terms of getting work, with the right attitude it easy to get work on either island. You just need to be in the right place at the right time and be the best person for the job, the IDC is great for identifying the most promising instructors!

Cost of living is certainly lower on Utila, the pay scale seems to balance it out. Diving is similar on both islands.
 
Where ever you choose to do your IDC between Utila or Roatan you will get a good quality course with personalized instruction, there’s no doubt about that. There is a positive and healthy aspect of competition between the dive centers that run IDC’s in the Bay Islands, and this ensures that the standards remain high and the diving and lifestyle is great on both islands.

I’m writing in response to your post, not to convince you to come and do your IDC with our staff or Utila Dive Centre, but in response to the comment you posted about “Looked at UDC but was warned it was a Instructor factory similar to ones in Phuket.”

Let me assure you, in spite of what may have been said to you, we never compromise quality, customer service, or an individual’s satisfaction for quantity. In fact quite the opposite, like the majority of dive operations in the dive industry we rely on word of mouth and referrals for business, as such we know if we put quantity above anything else and simply look at our divers as a business, we would only accomplish a short term result and not enjoy the reputation that we have. We have been in existence as a dive operation for 15 years, and training Instructors for almost 9 of those, we ensure that every diver that trains with us receives dedicated personalized instruction and a quality course, and in a fun and professional manner and leaves satisfied with an open door to returning to dive with us and ongoing support in their career whether they settle locally or travel to other destinations seeking employment, which is why we do well as a dive business.

I can only assume that any negative or disparaging remark you may have heard about Utila Dive Centre, could have come from somebody who did not train with us and as such has an inaccurate view, as I know that all IDC candidates and higher level Instructors we have trained have never regretted their decision to train with us, over other facilities. If you would like to contact Instructors who have trained with us please PM me and I’ll be able to put you in touch with them. From my experience working in the dive industry the majority of negative remarks made are often simply a subjective view, from an outside source, and often unvalidated and part of an opinion, or hearsay.

We realize we can’t appeal to all divers but myself, Angel (my colleague and co-Course Director) and Ed (full time IDC Staff Instructor), work extremely hard, and above and beyond what is required of us by PADI and industry standards, to train our candidates to the highest possible standard, prepare them for real world instruction, and provide ongoing support, and advice long after the exams are over, in fact we have also helped many of our IDC candidates go on to become Course Directors as well and set up their own businesses. We do attract more candidates than the other IDC centers in the area, that is a fact in the same sense that I feel Ivy League colleges attracts more graduate applications than most other colleges, or a good gourmet Chef attracts many fine food lovers to a restaurant, if you have a good reputation and do a good job then you will attract clientele.

As I mentioned, we never compromise our course quality for business, and we do our job because we love it, and ensure that all candidates receive the attention and service they deserve and need, and benefit from group dynamics. With regards to the actual numbers you’ll never be in an evaluation group size of more than 6 candidates (though PADI allow us 8), which gives you the opportunity as an Instructor candidate to have 1 assistant, and 4 students, and good practice, plus also you get to see and play a part in 5 other candidate presentations, we often have 2 evaluators grading you as well, not just 1 and if you need additional time/remediation/practice with us, you get it. Please also bear in mind our IDC is not the 7 day minimum required by PADI but actually 11 days, and having an on site pool gives us more time to work with you on skills and practice for your presentations.

If you do decide to choose our team and facility for the beginning of your career as a dive Instructor, and at the end of your course feel you did not get the training, attention and/or support you needed, then I will personally put my hand in my pocket and refund your course fee, because both your satisfaction and our reputation or more important to us than just business.

My best advice right now is not to antagonize too much on a decision on where to go, carry on doing your research, and go with who you feel best would fit in with your own long term goals and your own philosophy to diver education, I think you have a good idea already and are asking the right questions. Like I said, you will get a good course and attention who ever you choose, I know the CD’s and IDC centers in the area and how they work.

Yours sincerely,
Andy
 
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The recreation dive industry requires instructors who speak more that one language, so if you only speak english you will find it difficult making a living; Spanish will come in very handy in Honduras

If you are already a PADI member, logon to the PADI pros website and check out the employment board for the number of posting that appear their daily, usually 4 worldwide and what these shops are looking for.

If you have education in biology or any other science that meshes well with diving, this will also give an advantage.

Most of the instructors I have seen have beat up gear as they cannot afford to keep their own stuff up to date and looking sharp. Another example, I know of a instructor on Roatan who got bent while doing a deep dive on wreck Josee Jay (200 feet) and needed to go to the chamber, well guess what, this clown hadn't maintain his DAN insurance, so he was off work for a month. Utila is better in this regard, as you are required to pay a reef fee that also covers chamber rides.

Dive centers who conduct IDCs are hungry for customers, as they make good money off you and will tell you any thing to get you in the door.

Utila is flooded with instructors and the competition to get customers in the door is fierce, you would be better off on Roatan and make sure you network very well!!!!! Also, the clientle have more money in their pocket to tip, except for the europeans, they do not tip.
 
Just arrived on Utila, to start my Go Pro course witH Andy at UDC.

I also looked at other providers and decided on Utila nd Andy because he answered my mails and questions promptly and without bias.

My advice, like I did above was to research and go with your gut feeling.

Interesting post from James Bond..... above. I got the feeling of the direct opposite from the IDC centres I enquired with. Plus I have a pretty good 'bull****' detector. If the instruction is of high quality, I don't have a problem with people 'making good money off me'.

Europeans don't tip? Ha ha........... That's a pretty sweeping statement.
 
thanks everyone!

Mr Paulee please keep me posted on how your IDC goes

Angel, thanks for both messages and addressing my concerns. As Paulee said you are always prompt in response to my emails and very helpful.

I do speak both english and spanish, and am a certified ECOdiver/surveyor for Reef Check.

Does anyone know about Subway Watersports? and will i need to book in advance or do you think there will be openings if I arrive in honduras and check some places out and then make my decision (this is especially directed to Go Pro and Bay Island Diver)

Thanks again, you are all life savers (and stress relievers:) )
 
I think January may be quite a busy month, I am anticipating at least four students in my IDC. (I max it out at 6)

I am hesitant to say for sure that you will find space if you leave it until you get here, but would say that it is 95% likely that you will be able to choose between the course after you have arrived and actually seen/met the dive operation and Course Director.

What are you planning on doing after you have finished? I am in the process of trying to get a Reef Check volunteer programme up and running next summer, or rather my girlfriend is. If you are in the area, come and say hello, I live near Coconut Tree DIvers, drop buy between 4 and 5pm one day.

HTH

Will
 
I've just had a quote from Tgi Diving in Roatan Henry Something Resort ,West Bay
" I think ", all inclusive IDC and Efr , thats Resort A/C shared Accom, All Food " Breakfast ,3 course Lunch and Dinner" , All Drinks , tax etc , IDC & EFR I for less than $2000 and no c/card charge . But no Free Alcohol !!!
 
I,ve heard that Subway are located in the middle of nowhere .
I heard West Bay or End are the best areas on my searches .
The Tgi thing looks good to me , no Grocery shopping , cooking or washing dishes .
I think they cansend the crewpack " what ever that is ?" It's included in the $2000 price well $1995 nonsense.
 
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