Ice Diving Warning

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JamesP

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Ice Diving Warning

Folks,
A number of us have received private email / pm’s requests, from divers wanting to be escorted on an ICE DIVE of the Kinghorn in Rockport. This CANNOT be done either practically or safely for anyone without proper training or equipment. If the SB members which also have experience with this dive site or other that are similar could post their experiences here it would be appreciated.

Please take this warning to heart folks. You have got to play safe. There is nothing down there worth dying for.

1.You cannot make this dive on a SINGLE tank.
2.If you dive this wreck with an ice overhead, once you are on the wreck you are approx 800ft from the nearest exit point.
3.In this area an 800ft drift with a light swim on to the wreck takes approx 10 to 12 mins.
4.Exiting the wreck, getting back to the end of the line can take 15 mins. plus depending on current flow, which does vary day to day.
5.Things can definitely go wrong on these kinds of dives in these temperatures. Common failures are wing inflators freezing open, free flows and hyperthermia. Each one of these failures has the potential to KILL YOU and or the buddy you are with. That’s right folks “KILL YOU”.
6.Buoyancy control and no silting fin techniques are also essential for this dive. Silting out can and does happen very easily in this particular environment. Once the particulate is suspended within 40 to 50 feet of the shore, it hangs in the water column forever. I have seen this site reduced to 3ft and less. It makes it impossible to navigate and you CANNOT SURFACE if you get lost.

Gas management is critical for this ice dive. A growing number of us keep 200cft plus of back gas as reserve for this kind of diving. Folks, that means we use double tanks just for our reserve gas. We have done this dive many times using just back gas. The last time we had just made it to the wreck (800 ft and 12 mins out and away from the nearest exit), when 2 of the 3 man team had complete regulator failures. One diver was without gas, I had free-flows in both secondary regs. This left the other two divers on an air share and myself continually cycling through valve shut downs to clear the free-flows. It took 6 to 8 minutes to remedy the out of gas situation of the first diver. This left the third diver to monitor the two of us as we made our way out. I had to continually shut alternating regs to clear the freeze up all the way to the exit point, which we reached approx 22 minutes from the start of the first failure. In those 35 minutes I used 170cft plus of gas. Hence we like to keep all our back gas for reserve from now on.

This is a single instantance of things going wrong in the worst way. The point is these things can and do happen. It took a minimum of 6 minutes to get the second set of regs working. 6 mins without gas is enough to KILL anyone. This was do while moving to the exit. It was done while maintaining buoyancy and trim, therefore the visibility was still good for the trip out. It would have been a whole other ball game had we stirred up the bottom.

Folks, I have posted this here to illustrate the seriousness of this kind of ice diving. I can understand the desire to rush into the adventure. I have experienced myself. But please approach this with caution. If you are at a recreational level please limit your dives to an ice diving course and or a club or group that has harness equipment and support to allow you to participate safety.
 
Very good post James.

Glad to see your active again... Its been a while...

Linda says hi...

:monkeydan
 
This dive was done safely today by glue club members with out incident, yes this dive is dangerous and when combined with ice it's a overhead enviroment dive. Then why do we do it? Its skill at it's highest level and with the combined effort of getting the training, not skimping on the gear and lots of practice we can safely do this dive and have some fun cause thats why we dive isn't it.

James is right there is nothing down there worth getting hurt or even killed for, we practice everything and one thing that most people don't practice buddy skills.

This year there seems to be a lot of ice diving training going on, Here at NTD, Dans Dive Shop, Kanata Diving Center, Scuba2000 and more than likely alot more places that I don't know about. Get the training and find buddies that are at your level or willing to take you along as mentors its also fun when you know what your doing and know what your buddies doing.
 
If a store is holding an ice diving course maybe post your contact info here, It would help in getting those interested in getting the training.

All the best
CC
 
Tom R:
This dive was done safely today by glue club members with out incident, yes this dive is dangerous and when combined with ice it's a overhead enviroment dive. Then why do we do it? Its skill at it's highest level and with the combined effort of getting the training, not skimping on the gear and lots of practice we can safely do this dive and have some fun cause thats why we dive isn't it.

James is right there is nothing down there worth getting hurt or even killed for, we practice everything and one thing that most people don't practice buddy skills.

This year there seems to be a lot of ice diving training going on, Here at NTD, Dans Dive Shop, Kanata Diving Center, Scuba2000 and more than likely alot more places that I don't know about. Get the training and find buddies that are at your level or willing to take you along as mentors its also fun when you know what your doing and know what your buddies doing.


The boys that were diving today, only went as far as the little speedboat and spent most of the dive refining skills. It makes a big difference to the level of diving when the training is always on going. It can make or break the dive when things turn sour.
 
JamesP:
The boys that were diving today, only went as far as the little speedboat and spent most of the dive refining skills. It makes a big difference to the level of diving when the training is always on going. It can make or break the dive when things turn sour.

I should have mention that, thanks,

Here is a couple of reason why we do it.

These were taken this time last year, no lights about of ice overhead.
 
WOW is that some nice vis.

But who's that doing the penetration?

Maybe someday when I grow up to become a real diver like TomR, I will Ice dive.

I also require 15 more pounds of insulation for my rather trim body.
 
Tom R:
I should have mention that, thanks,

Here is a couple of reason why we do it.

These were taken this time last year, no lights about of ice overhead.

Looks like the deck has been rebuilt... Last time I was on the kinghorn and it wasn't that long ago, the decking didn't look like it does in these photo's... These shots look like its fully intact.
 
DeepScuba:
WOW is that some nice vis.

But who's that doing the penetration?

Maybe someday when I grow up to become a real diver like TomR, I will Ice dive.

I also require 15 more pounds of insulation for my rather trim body.

That would be another buddy pair.

Best thing about getting burned is give a burn.
 

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