I think WetSuits are Safer and Better than Dry suits for the vast majority of divers

[tridacna]

.....and the fins that allow easy fast speed, show/compare high drag and low drag differences in exposure suits or BC's, much more obviously than do slow fins like splits....And thanks again for this opportunity !!!

Seeing as we're talking fins, let me just say that my FF Pros give me all the propulsion I need both wet and dry.

Also as a survivor of the rec.scuba DIR wars, I got a real kick out of your statement that people see BLACK when you meant white...

 

[buddhasummer]

"Moderator" is roughly equivalent to fight-referee and floor-cleaner at a diapers-optional preschool.

You should be grateful for anybody who is willing to do it for more than a couple of days, since doing nothing makes people angry and would eventually destroy the board, and doing something makes different people angry and doing the wrong thing (and sometimes the right thing) makes nearly everybody angry.

Your ability to post and even to have this thread and not endure personal threats and a 90%+ spam rate, is directly attributable to the mods.

If you're not happy with moderators, switch to usenet for a while and this place will start to look like Disney World.

flots.

Well said. This is the only online forum I am a regular at. It's a jungle out there.

 

[mala]

I love this question!!! And if you are a drysuit diver, or would be considering becoming one...this is something to ponder....With the pondering of this, there is the flip side....if this same person pondering, chose the path of slick wetsuit, slick bp/wing, and freedive fins...there would be practically no way they could imagine being swept away....they would be having the easiest time of any in the group getting around, and it would be very hard for them to get into trouble that had not already claimed all the other divers....
The drysuit diver must be aware of the severe limitations they would have in any current, if most of the other divers are in wetsuits....they would be the ones being swept away, while the wetsuit divers would be wondering why they are blowing away. If all divers are in dry suits, then the boat would need to be planning for all to be similarly impaired, and so the boat would be planning for the needs of the dry suit diver...In Florida, where many shops do want to sell a wetsuit diver into a drysuit in the next 2 months.....the norm for the masses, will still be wetsuits, so all the more danger to the divers challenged by high drag, to handle the dive as easily as the wetsuit divers would...this is even more true in Fort Lauderdale or Miami, where most boats will anchor, and where mild currents do exist...mild for wetsuit divers, but sometimes getting to be a little tough on wetsuit divers, meaning a huge problem for the dry suited.

Thanks again for this question showcasing the underlying considerations a dry suit or wet suit diver should be thinking about.

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This is about drag.....and the fins that allow easy fast speed, show/compare high drag and low drag differences in exposure suits or BC's, much more obviously than do slow fins like splits....And thanks again for this opportunity !!!

dan

you are so far behind the curve.

naked scootering is the way forward.

I can do 4 knots for 1 hour on 1 charge. ( a bit more if its cold.)

 

[Diver0001]

I'd just like to add that moderators are not always in function. In some ways we will always be held to a higher bar by other users, and that's part of the game, but most of the time we post as normal users just like all the other passionate people who enjoy this board.

When a moderator makes a post "in function" you will always recognize it because will be tagged as follows

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With respect to Dan's comment, I can say that playing the "you are a moderator" card is something that a lot of people do when they can't think of anything else to say. As Margaret Thatcher used to say, "I love it when people start criticizing me because it means they have run out of arguments". (paraphrased)

Again... just part of the game.

R..

 

[nimoh]

I think this thread has gotten a little ridiculous given the insignificance to most divers. While I agree that a drysuit has more drag than a wetsuit, to use wording like:

"chose the path of slick wetsuit, slick bp/wing, and freedive fins...there would be practically no way they could imagine being swept away."

"The drysuit diver must be aware of the severe limitations they would have in any current"

is a little extreme to say the least, and compromises your credibility to the point where I pretty much question all of the claims made.

 

[danvolker]

I think this thread has gotten a little ridiculous given the insignificance to most divers. While I agree that a drysuit has more drag than a wetsuit, to use wording like:

"chose the path of slick wetsuit, slick bp/wing, and freedive fins...there would be practically no way they could imagine being swept away."

"The drysuit diver must be aware of the severe limitations they would have in any current"

is a little extreme to say the least, and compromises your credibility to the point where I pretty much question all of the claims made.

If you think that....then watch the last video I posted....and try a glide like these guys ( the scuba diver w/wing fin and freediver w/wing) and then try this with a dry suit and jet fins...This is NOT a high speed thing...it is a big kick and very long glide thing...it goes to efficiency--and the differences are enormous.... ..Just try it, and then you will be on here helping me

Here is the video I refer to:
[video]http://content.bitsontherun.com/previews/Snp3jfQ3-C3PNGnB0[/video]

If you try what you see in the video, the big kick and long glide without work.....and you are trying this with a Drysuit..it won't work....You will feel like you have brakes on.....Then you will go back to this video, and see the scuba diver with kind of slick wetsuit( there are much slicker ones) , gliding like crazy....so much so, it should be apparent he can even glide UPCURRENT....and this should get some pondering going

 

[Drin]

After 25 years of diving in waters from Chuuk to Japan to the northern reaches of British Columbia to the high altitude lakes in the Rockies of western Canada, I can honestly say that how far I glide on a single kick and how slick my exposure suit is is of ABSOLUTELY no importance to me. What's important to me is that I enjoy my dives and that I dive safely. I'd rather dive slowly, current or no current, and be warm and safe while doing so. I'd venture that a large percentage of divers think the same way, judging from the many people I've been lucky enough to meet through diving in those 25 years.


-Adrian

 

[nimoh]

If you think that....then watch the last video I posted....and try a glide like these guys ( the scuba diver w/wing fin and freediver w/wing) and then try this with a dry suit and jet fins...This is NOT a high speed thing...it is a big kick and very long glide thing...it goes to efficiency--and the differences are enormous.... ..Just try it, and then you will be on here helping me

Here is the video I refer to:
[video]http://content.bitsontherun.com/previews/Snp3jfQ3-C3PNGnB0[/video]

If you try what you see in the video, the big kick and long glide without work.....and you are trying this with a Drysuit..it won't work....You will feel like you have brakes on.....Then you will go back to this video, and see the scuba diver with kind of slick wetsuit( there are much slicker ones) , gliding like crazy....so much so, it should be apparent he can even glide UPCURRENT....and this should get some pondering going

like I said, the exaggerations you have made in this thread have me questioning your claims, so I am not about to go and buy a set of freediving fins based on your recommendation. I'm sure they are more efficient, although I don't buy that they work as well as jets for reverse and helicopter.

 

[danvolker]

like I said, the exaggerations you have made in this thread have me questioning your claims, so I am not about to go and buy a set of freediving fins based on your recommendation. I'm sure they are more efficient, although I don't buy that they work as well as jets for reverse and helicopter.

Cmon man...R.E.A.D.....Read what I write.....I said "watch" the guy in the slick gear on the video....THEN, TRY the same kick and glide with a drysuit and your fins....see the bottom move under the diver(s) in the video...See the bottom under you....have a friend see both the video and YOU.....
I am not asking you to buy anything.....I am expecting you to read most of the words in a couple of sentences.

p.s.
And no, you are correct about reverse kicks....Jets are hands down better at reverse kicks than freedive fins....You can reverse in DiveR freedive fins, but it is much more effort on your shin muscles due to the leverage of the long blades, and it is not easy to sustain for a long time--like if you swam into a pipe after a big fish, and then had to back out because of the big nurseshark that wanted to get out and could not get past you... Here I would have preferred the Excellerating Force Fins!!!
Helicopters are easy enough with freedive fins, if not easier, because one thrust blasts you much further, so you can spin quick and easy..just slightly different technique.

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See, this is part of the problem...most of the people who don't like what THEY THINK I wrote, are thinking I wrote something I did not...EXACTLY like this example above!!!!!!

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After 25 years of diving in waters from Chuuk to Japan to the northern reaches of British Columbia to the high altitude lakes in the Rockies of western Canada, I can honestly say that how far I glide on a single kick and how slick my exposure suit is is of ABSOLUTELY no importance to me. What's important to me is that I enjoy my dives and that I dive safely. I'd rather dive slowly, current or no current, and be warm and safe while doing so. I'd venture that a large percentage of divers think the same way, judging from the many people I've been lucky enough to meet through diving in those 25 years.


-Adrian

So I guess you have never ridden a bicycle for a few miles that accidentally had the brakes rubbing? This is drag you don't want ---you can still ride a bike --beach cruiser or $10,000 Pinarello race bike, with the brakes rubbing, and have a great time....On the other-hand, an argument could be made that the experience may have been even nicer with less effort--which would have been the scenario with no brakes rubbing.

Personally, I would go with the Pinarello Prince, and with the brakes NOT rubbing

 

[Tigerman]

Theres a golden rule in communication..
"You dont say what you think you say, you say what the recipient percieve"...

And its pretty clear to ne what the "vast majority" percieve in this case..

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Oh and nobody here claims there is NO more drag from a drysuit setup, we just strongly disagree that it makes a drysuit less safe, less good or less enjoyable.. this never was a streamlining thread to begin with, it was a claim that drysuits are a waste of time and money..

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