I tasted the Kool Aide and it didnt agree with me

[Rainer]

DIR config for OW? Where are you getting this from? Swivels are NOT DIR!

David

Wow, a bit new to DIR are we?

 

[Rainer]

Just checked the standards, and a long hose is STILL not required by GUE:

Long Hose: Optional in shallow, open water diving, but mandatory in deeper or overhead diving; the long hose simplifies air sharing. When used, the long hose, along with the primary regulator, should ALWAYS be placed on the diver's right post.

That said, my GUE teammates and I all use 7' hoses. The OP has no interest in doing such. A 40" hose is a good compromise, as it still allows for the primary to be donated with the secondary bungeed. In non-overhead environments, this offers a lot of benefits over a more "standard" rec setup (i.e. give "octo").

 

[rollerboi]

Sure you guys aren't thinking of Hog? Hog is not DIR, and DIR is not Hog, at least as I understand it.

DIR config for OW? Where are you getting this from? Swivels are NOT DIR!

David

 

[David Watson]

Just checked the standards, and a long hose is STILL not required by GUE:

Long Hose: Optional in shallow, open water diving, but mandatory in deeper or overhead diving; the long hose simplifies air sharing. When used, the long hose, along with the primary regulator, should ALWAYS be placed on the diver's right post.

That said, my GUE teammates and I all use 7' hoses. The OP has no interest in doing such. A 40" hose is a good compromise, as it still allows for the primary to be donated with the secondary bungeed. In non-overhead environments, this offers a lot of benefits over a more "standard" rec setup (i.e. give "octo").

I have no problem with people diving a 40" hose, I don't personally do it, but it doesn't bother me. What does bother me is how you mentioned nothing about swivel hoses in that little GUE quote you just made.

David

 

[Rainer]

Have you actually ever tried a 40" hose without a swivel? Puts the reg in a very awkward position. Most divers (DIR included) add a swivel if they use this config (note "if"). Just add one with NO known failures (e.g. Atomic or KM). Come on now, I know you've only gone through GUE-F, but they did teach you to be a thinking diver, no?

 

[David Watson]

Have you actually ever tried a 40" hose without a swivel? Puts the reg in a very awkward position. Most divers (DIR included) add a swivel if they use this config (note "if"). Just add one with NO known failures (e.g. Atomic or KM). Come on now, I know you've only gone through GUE-F, but they did teach you to be a thinking diver, no?

Why don't you actually get your facts straight first. I have no idea who you are, but if you're watching me so closely, then you would know that I am a Tech 1 diver. Now you're directly insulting me by telling me I'm not a thinking diver? I have not insulted your training or diving at all, why don't you place your anger elsewhere.

To your original question, yes I have tried a 40" hose without a swivel and had no problem with it. That's my thought process.

David

 

[rockjock3]

I kept the backup reg on the necklace but changed my primary reg back to the normal hose. I thought it over and the long hose did not seem necessary in open water diving.
I still am using the SPG and depth gauge/Bottom timer and non-split fins. Although, I may go back to my SmartCom, not sure at the moment.

Many people that are purely rec do keep the necklace and for the long hose use a 5ft vs the 7ft hose. It still makes such a huge difference in sharing are if you don't have to be on top of each other due to the normal length hose for rec divers.

 

[David Watson]

Have you actually ever tried a 40" hose without a swivel? Puts the reg in a very awkward position. Most divers (DIR included) add a swivel if they use this config (note "if"). Just add one with NO known failures (e.g. Atomic or KM). Come on now, I know you've only gone through GUE-F, but they did teach you to be a thinking diver, no?

And as for you insulting me as a diver, why don't you contact my instructors Mike Kane or AG and ask them what they think. Then you can contact any of the many people in SoCal I dive with and the instructors at pretty much every dive shop in the area. When you find someone that tells you I'm not competent or a solid diver, I'll back down and cease from posting in this forum. Otherwise, keep your comments to yourself.

david

 

[Rainer]

Dude, I'm not trying to insult you. Let me put it this way, for the MANY divers who find a 40" hose uncomfortable without a swivel, what is not DIR about adding a swivel of the type that has no known failures if it makes such a config possible? Obviously there's no need for a swivel with a 5' or 7' hose. For many/most divers, it is needed for a 40" hose. This isn't a deco reg coming around your neck, but one coming up from under your arm. The reg will be facing straight up, not toward your mouth. Think...

Regardless, as I already wrote, consider it a PM to the OP given his first post. He clearly isn't interested in DIR solutions...

 

[Carribeandiver]

As for the OP, maybe you should have given people the full story before sand bagging our philosophy. Obviously you never gave it a chance.

David

you missed the point of the post. the first line reads it is not to criticize DIR and the thread is legion with praise for those that dive DIR. I just said, it was not for me.