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SeaJay

Thanks for clearing a few things up. I now see the point of diving "wet" as opposed to dry.

Interestingly, this "toilet" will be in a sort of "underwater outhouse" that allows for some privacy while I'm busy.

hope you pack a reel for that overhead environment :)

Wow good thing your dropping in a porta potty, i would hate to log on to the web cam and see you demonstrating the "Warhammer" to the nation.

Surface support and FFM with comms is a must as i would expect. The no surface supplied gear is really gonna make this a team effort. I suspected the blended meals, not really any other viable options.

more questions:

I would assume your going to be required to have a standby diver at all times for this ?

How are you planning addressing the sleeping issue, are you diving with a little extra weight ?

So your not planning on having comms 24/7. Just how are your going to get voice comms in this case ?


Which FFM or FFMs are you going to use ?

You mentioned a K bottle as a bail out or for sleeping. Does this mean the res of the time your are using only b/p and wings ? what i mean is your not planning on doing this dive just sitting around multiple K bottles on the bottom. The plan is to be mobile correct ?

Andy
 
Hmmm...

Some of you may know that I just did a trip to FLorida, and I drove down. Going thru 11 states from MA to FL. We stopped many times on the trip, in every state actually, for lunch, or dinner, or sleeping, or just a BR break.

There was only one state that REALLY scared the HE** out of me that we experienced...

Do you know what that state was???

Yes, SOUTH CAROLINA...

Look where Seajay is from...

Kinda scares me a little too much...

Hmmmmm...
 
trymixdiver once bubbled...

Thanks for clearing a few things up. I now see the point of diving "wet" as opposed to dry.

Yeah, dry would be really nice, but I had to make a choice as to which set of problems to handle... The ones created by diving wet or the ones created by diving dry. I chose the wet; an unusual choice. I think with the right preparation, the "wet problems" wouldn't be too hard to handle.

Interestingly, this is a departure from other's world record attempts... So it's unusual in that.


hope you pack a reel for that overhead environment :)

Wow good thing your dropping in a porta potty, i would hate to log on to the web cam and see you demonstrating the "Warhammer" to the nation.

Heheheheee... For that matter, I suspect that the "window" in the facility will be a pretty popular place for surface support and for the general public. Yeah, I definitely need a few moments every day. :D

The aquariums at the SC Aquarium (where I was a volunteer) had a sort of "cave" structure underneath of the false reef. We used it to store things... Sorta like a "closet." That's what I've got in mind for the facility that I use, but I may need to construct something, depending on what's available at the final facility.


I would assume your going to be required to have a standby diver at all times for this ?

Yes... There will be surface support 24/7, and all surface support personnel will be required to be at least OW certified... And then checked out by the leaders of this team. So not only will there be an actual standby diver, but anyone on staff will be able to, in a pinch, act as a sort of "backup" standby diver.


How are you planning addressing the sleeping issue, are you diving with a little extra weight ?

Great question...

Surprisingly, I think I'm going to end up spending a good bit of time on the bottom anyway. Simply put, it'll be a very safe place to be. The worst thing I can think of happening, aside from obvious physical harm, would be for me to get distracted somehow and lose control of my buoyancy... And break the surface, ruining everything. Thus, the bottom's a great, safe place to be. Likely I will spend most of my time there, with the exception of about four hours a day, when I'm swimming for the fun and exercise of it, while neutrally buoyant.

Sleeping, as you said, though, will likely happen on the bottom, although I doubt I'll have to change my weights... I'll probably just dump all buoyancy and basically sleep on the bottom, unassisted. There is, however, a technique that I may be interested in, that someone else found to be more comfortable... Sleeping on the ceiling of the "private room" (outhouse)! I've never tried the latter... But I'll give it a shot. Sounds pretty comfy, actually. I might do either from time to time just to break up the monotany.


So your not planning on having comms 24/7. Just how are your going to get voice comms in this case ?

Well, I think that there will be a lot of hand communication, like "regular" divers do... There will probably be a good bit of communication with slates at the window, and of course, there will be the computer and the message boards and all of that. Honestly, I don't think that voice communication will be of the utmost importance the entire time. I believe that it can be restricted to just the times when in an FFM, which will admittedly be most of the time, anyway. My FFM, which will have both a transmitter and reciever in it, will transmit and recieve to an underwater communciations center, which will, via wire, connect to the surface. Surface support will then be able to communicate back and forth to me underwater. In-water support will probably also be linked into the system wirelessly.
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Which FFM or FFMs are you going to use ?

Well, if I had my choice, it would be the Kirby Morgan "EXO" series... In fact, I may purchase one of these so that I have my own personalized, choice gear for this dive. Simply put, I really like the high-end components and the GLASS lens on the front, which undoubtedly wears much better than acrylic.

Unfortunately, what's available to us is a set of AGA masks, which, prior to the EXO's, would have been my choice, due to thier high-end components and excellent design. The reason that I'm not as crazy about these is because of the acrylic lenses in them, which, IMHO, get beat up pretty easily, particularly in salt water. I do like the side exhaust, though, and of course, the unimpeded visibility. We will likely be using these masks because several of them are available to us at no charge.


You mentioned a K bottle as a bail out or for sleeping. Does this mean the res of the time your are using only b/p and wings ? what i mean is your not planning on doing this dive just sitting around multiple K bottles on the bottom. The plan is to be mobile correct ?

I think there will be a healthy amount of both. Two weeks is a long time to be underwater! Certainly the mainstay will be the bp/wing, what I was referring to as "backgas." If I find, however, that doubles don't let me sleep long enough, then I may choose to sleep on the K bottle or on a small bank/manifold of cylinders, unattached to me. I also plan on using these seperate cylinders so as to be able to get out of my harness occassionally, strictly for the variety and comfort level. But yes, for the most part, I'll be wearing a bp/wing with backgas. While I'm wearing that, surface support will be preparing another bp/wing rig and dropping it in the water so that when mine dries up, I can switch rigs. I'll then float my "dry" rig to the top, where they'll retrieve it (possibly with the use of other divers) and prep it for more use. I have planned four rigs like this, in a sort of constant "conveyor" of life support. It would simply continue for fourteen days straight, with emergency "bailout" and/or "sleeping bottles" on the bottom.

There's going to come a time when I know, exactly, where this is going to take place... And when. (Right now, it's looking at something like this upcoming November.) When that does, I'll be searching for surface support... Divers willing to be a part of this for the sheer joy of breaking a world record.

You interested?
 
LUBOLD8431 once bubbled...
Hmmm...

There was only one state that REALLY scared the HE** out of me that we experienced...

Do you know what that state was???

Yes, SOUTH CAROLINA...


Heheheheee...

Was it the zero vis waters? The pickup trucks with Confederate flags? The firecracker stands every other mile along I-95?

Lol...
 
SeaJay

ok that clears most of it. its going to be a long process for yourself and the support personel. if this was happing local to me i would volunteer my time. I am in Southern California though and i suspect your doing it out your way.

Other than the long time in the water and just keeping busy i think the most odd thing about this is the sleeping issue. The only thing your not going to know is how your going to react to slepping u/w. Also, how it will feel when you first wake up. You will get used to it, yes, but the first few days are going to be something you cant predict.

Have you planned to sleep u/w as a test before your Actual attempt ?

My FFM, which will have both a transmitter and reciever in it, will transmit and recieve to an underwater communciations center, which will, via wire, connect to the surface.

They ok with the wire going into the water ? never know, better make sure.

I dove an Aga for a while and i loved it. Yeah the faceplate gets beat up, but it never effected my vis u/w. In fact i still have 2. I am contimplating using it on my Oxygen deco bottle. Only because i have it and its just going to collect dust if i dont use it for something.
 
Yeah, that's going to be pretty strange.

Actually, I'm not too worried about it. I've found myself cat-napping before while working at the Aquarium for long periods of time. I don't freak when I wake.

I know, shoot me now. :D

The attempt won't be the first and last time, though... I'll be doing a 24-hour and then a 72 hour dive first, about 30 days beforehand to see how it all works out. Depending on the results, I may do more than that. We'll see.

So yeah, I think I'll be okay with the whole "waking up" underwater. What'll really be freaky is having an OOA while asleep. Of course, I'll do what I have to prevent it, but no doubt having one while asleep would weird me out pretty quickly. :D

...So the AGAs worked out pretty well for you, eh? I liked a bunch of things about them... They should do nicely for the dive.

I can't wait... :D
 
The Aga is more a SAR FFM, i would consider the EXO26 a Commercial FFM. There is no comparison between the 2 as far as construction, the EXO is built like tank.

I liked both masks, i just found the AGA fit my face better.

One word of caution about both is the volume of water they hold, if you take it off and want to don it again have a full breath to do it. The Pos Pressure version wouldnt be an issue, the demand would. It is noticably harder to put on and clear than a regular scuba reg due to its volume. I can recall a few dives where i practiced donning and doffing it and i sucked some water because i wasnt able to clear it all in one breath.

So when your switching from FFM to Scuba reg make damn sure you have a back up reg with a purge button. ( practice clearing the Aga in a controled environment, just so your used to it)

sounds like you have the majority worked out, all you need is a facility and to do some test dives of varying duration.

Andy

keep us posted
 
What are the limitations on a dive bell type of device? ie, Can you use one to get your head out of the water, but still be underwater?
 
Boy, wouldn't that be nice? :)

Nope. The key is "self contained underwater breathing apparatus." Everything's got to come with me... Be with me, even if it's just me able to pick it up and swim with it.

No part of my body can break the surface of the water during any time of my dive. Otherwise, of course, people living in underwater habitats would have already broken the record.

Woulda been nice, hunh? Lol...
 
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