I know there are no stupid questions but.....

[Kingpatzer]

I've always struggled with the notion of logging pool dives or not.

I've personally learned A LOT in the pool, and to me what makes a dive important isn't the depth, or the water clarity, or the fish, or if it's a pool or an ocean, but what you learn as a diver.

The dive I learned the most from in my life was a pool session with a couple of students who were having their individual problems. I was the AI, and it was a big class of 10 students.

The instructor was letting me do the student control stuff while he evaluated skills. We had one guy try to bolt for the surface holding his breath when he couldn't find his regulator doing the regulator recovery drill. I managed to slow him down, but found I was under weighted for the task of holding a panicy student in place. I got my alternate in his mouth and had to ascend with him because he was simply going up.

I got him to the surface and got his BC inflated and was guiding him towards the side of the pool when his wife popped up to the surface and started splashing towards him to make sure he was alright. He was still a little freaked and her splashing about wasn't helping. I tried to ask her to stay back but she wouldn't hear of it and grabbed ahold of him. She wasn't positively buoyant and her added weight dropped his head back under the water without a reg in his mouth. He freaked, but I got them separated. I was moving him back to the side of the pool and turned my back on her, but she still wasn't positively buoyant and started to panic as well. The instructor was up by this time having (a) trusted me to take this guy up and (b) wanting to make sure the other students stayed put while he checked things out, and he got her inflated and to the side as well.

At that point he sent me down to watch the other students while he sorted out the mess up top. A few of the student were wide eyed at what just happened, so I made the decision to move them underwater back to the shallows and do some simple drills while we waited on the instructor.

I learned more on that dive about class management, managing paniced students, and dealing with the aftermath than I have in just about any dive before or since, pool or OW. But my agency says that isn't a loggable dive. I think their nuts.

 

[JKPAO]

Your log book is yours, for you to write down draw pictures; maps; fin sroke counts; any things you saw; skills learned; weight requirements; exposure worn; gas management; time; date;........blah blah blah!

There were years I really did not care to write down anything! I regret that now. With my nephews and neices now learning....I want to be a good role model. I will write some of the other things in the list above and some things I have not listed. I write thing down so I can later(1 month 1year 10 years) look and remember specifics about a fun dive or a training event. My belief now is that just the act of writing down will make for better recall.

As a new diver you do not have alot of experience to recall, but there is alot of informmation that you can use to build on with each experience. Even if it is in a pool! NEMO Who won't like to take a dip in that! Writing it down will help and you can keep a count anyway you like!

Some divers call them BLOGS now!

Of all my time of diving ,I have only been asked for a log (recreation) twice.
See you topside ! John

 

[SkimFisher]

I learned more on that dive about class management, managing paniced students, and dealing with the aftermath than I have in just about any dive before or since, pool or OW. But my agency says that isn't a loggable dive. I think their nuts.

That's because that is not the norm for pool dives. Personally, I don't care what anyone writes in their log book. By all means, log your pool dives. But be realistic about the number of real-world dives you have under your belt. There are dives I've done in the ocean that I didn't bother to log because they were so short and so shallow. I'm not chasing down a number, I'm chasing down skill.

I dunno, I just can't take a dive in 10ft of water seriously enough to log it. I'm not saying you can't log your pool dives if you truly want to - after all, it is YOUR log book. But just understand that the majority of diver's you run across are not going to share that POV.

This might be a good topic to split off into its own thread.

 

[fnfalman]

If you try to use it towards course dive requirements, I doubt you'll get very far

But that is about all that will happen. Log baths if you want to, just don't expect them to be taken seriously by others, much like pool dives.

Who actually takes dive logging seriously?

I can lie then make up dive logs ,and who's the wiser?

I can get me one of those "250-Logged Dive" patches and sew it on my jacket, and would that make me look like a badass diver to be taken seriously?

 

[idocsteve]

Who actually takes dive logging seriously?

I can lie then make up dive logs ,and who's the wiser?

It's not a question of being truthful and factual, and it has everything to do with liability.

You think the Dive Op who might ask to see your logbook cares about you personally? Of course not.

They're just looking to cover their ass. If you produce a logbook showing 250 dives, and you jump into the water, and then freak out at 100 feet because it's the first time you've ever breathed through a regulator, and you panic and rush to the surface and you take your last breath on the boat deck, the Op has a logbook that says you are supposed to know what you're doing.

 

[fnfalman]

It's not a question of being truthful and factual, and it has everything to do with liability.

You think the Dive Op who might ask to see your logbook cares about you personally? Of course not.

They're just looking to cover their ass. If you produce a logbook showing 250 dives, and you jump into the water, and then freak out at 100 feet because it's the first time you've ever breathed through a regulator, and you panic and rush to the surface and you take your last breath on the boat deck, the Op has a logbook that says you are supposed to know what you're doing.

Thus far the dive ops I've gone out with only wanted to see my C-Card.

Liability? That's where the consent forms come in.

BTW, how are you going to carry a log book that contains more than 1000-dives? That's at least 500-pages.

 

[idocsteve]

Thus far the dive ops I've gone out with only wanted to see my C-Card.

Liability? That's where the consent forms come in.

BTW, how are you going to carry a log book that contains more than 1000-dives? That's at least 500-pages.

Consent forms are one step towards protecting the dive Op but they're not foolproof.

Asking for C-cards and writing down the numbers is another.

Asking to see a logbook is yet another.

I've had dive Ops do none of the above to all of the above.

If a Dive Op ends up in court because a diver screwed up and someone's looking for a financial payoff to "ease their suffering", the more bullets in your legal arsenal, the better.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

I've never had a dive op ask to see my log book ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Rainer]

Nor I.

I've never had a dive op ask to see my log book ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[idocsteve]

Here in the Northeast there's one Dive Boat captain who requires any divers doing a dive of greater than 100 feet to produce a logbook showing at least 5 dives to depths of 60 feet in the region in the past year.

It only takes one dive log request to make it worth it.

And there are several advanced scuba diving certifications that require you to produce proof of a certain number of dives in various conditions.

Eagle's Nest Boat Policies

2. For all dives over 100 feet in depth divers must produce a log book showing evidence of at least five (5) dives in the northeastern United States (or equivalent location) to a depth of at least 60 feet within the last 12 months. The only exception to this rule is a diver diving with an Instructor.