I f*** up and I am ashamed

[Ayisha]

...a BP/W setup that may pitch forward a little...

If your bp/w is pitching you forward a little, then you have your weight too much to the front and/or you're over-inflating the wing.

Try moving some of your weight further back, closer to or on the bp/tank. That will let you easily be in any position you want, including relaxing laying on your back.

Hope that helps...

 

[ginti]

Guys...

@Dody is aware of his limits. Otherwise, he wouldn't be here asking for suggestions. He is aware that he shouldn't lead other people in these conditions because he clearly stated it. Still, many of you have an aggressive communication. Why do you need to be that aggressive?

If you attack a person, that person will try to defend, and a defensive mood is the worst to learn something. Although most of you want to help, I believe a softer approach would benefit everyone here...

P.S. By the way, about DM certifications.... if the instructor teaching the course is valid, the card has a big value, otherwise they are overrated since the entry level requirements are ridicoulously low

 

[SlugLife]

Guys...

@Dody is aware of his limits. Otherwise, he wouldn't be here asking for suggestions. He is aware that he shouldn't lead other people in these conditions because he clearly stated it. Still, many of you have an aggressive communication. Why do you need to be that aggressive?

If you attack a person, that person will try to defend, and a defensive mood is the worst to learn something. Although most of you want to help, I believe a softer approach would benefit everyone here...

Agreed. The level of dogpiling right now is a bit excessive, and will only lead him to be defensive, and discourage similar posts from the OP and others who come across this thread.

I get it, many of the critiques are legit (and I had a few critiques myself), but lets give him a little bit of room to breathe, and let him absord some of this flood of information at a more reasonable pace. And try to remain in the space of "neutrality" and "objectivity," and not try to make him feel bad about making a mistake or having gaps in knowledge.

P.S. By the way, about DM certifications.... if the instructor teaching the course is valid, the card has a big value, otherwise they are overrated since the entry level requirements are ridicoulously low

One might conclude that DM appears to be more of a "job title" than a qualification based on this thread, which implicates the industry. OP has a few knowledge gaps (as do many of us), but OP didn't certify or train himself. What the DM in the story did appears indefensible & disqualifying, and brings up questions around that DM's training or qualifications.

Should the industry be more forthcoming about "DMs are little more than tour-guides?" and maybe not call them "Dive Masters"? Are there massive gaps in DM training that need to be addressed? And if yes, which Dive Agencies have those gaps?

 

[Centrals]

Should the industry be more forthcoming about "DMs are little more than tour-guides?" and maybe not call them "Dive Masters"? Are there massive gaps in DM training that need to be addressed? And if yes, which Dive Agencies have those gaps?

We need a separated discussion on this topic.
Perhaps the MOD can do something about it?

 

[ginti]

But he writes stuff, that is just not true.
He claims he was never warned of underweighted issues. And no one told him new wetsuits need weigth adjustements. But we had a long discussion about this issue and his new wetsuit. His answer was:
"Some tell me that I should dive with 5 kg but I refuse."

I see no contradictions. It is possible that someone told him "Well, you know, maybe you could dive with 1kg more", but nobody told him "Hey if you are underweighted you may have serious issues". These things are very different. Without knowing better, you cannot conclude anything.

Well, maybe somebody HERE told him that diving underweighted is a problem, but you know, if one says it while attacking - he will not listen. Nobody would.

His posts doesnt match well.. he asks for advice and then acts like he knows everything better.

What I see, is that he challenges suggestions because he wants to understand. If anything, this is a symptom of curiosity and genuine interest, not arrogance. Also, if we really know what we are suggesting, we should be able to answer, with patients, to any counterexample. If we attack, maybe we don't know that well.

 

[Raphus]

I see no contradictions. It is possible that someone told him "Well, you know, maybe you could dive with 1kg more", but nobody told him "Hey if you are underweighted you may have serious issues". These things are very different. Without knowing better, you cannot conclude anything.

Well, maybe somebody HERE told him that diving underweighted is a problem, but you know, if one says it while attacking - he will not listen. Nobody would.



What I see, is that he challenges suggestions because he wants to understand. If anything, this is a symptom of curiosity and genuine interest, not arrogance. Also, if we really know what we are suggesting, we should be able to answer, with patients, to any counterexample. If we attack, maybe we don't know that well.

I think regarding the incident everything is said.
He got good advice. underweigthed, to far from buddy, go into a cave without training, buddy did not watch him.
And i have the feeling he knows and accepts these mistakes. So i think the purpose on this thread is fulfilled.

Again thanks for sharing the story @Dody.

 

[SlugLife]

We need a separated discussion on this topic.
Perhaps the MOD can do something about it?

One of us could also just create the topic of "Should DMs be renamed?"

However, I don't think we need to break apart this thread. This is very relevant to something we can all learn from the story/incident in the OP.

What I see, is that he challenges suggestions because he wants to understand. If anything, this is a symptom of curiosity and genuine interest, not arrogance. Also, if we really know what we are suggesting, we should be able to answer, with patients, to any counterexample. If we attack, maybe we don't know that well.

Agreed, there are a few threads I've started with full awareness that it might make me look stupid or invite critique in the process. For example:

Minimalist Setup for Small River Diving (~15ft or less)?

I knew going into it, that people probably wouldn't be fans of ditching the octo & BCD in a shallow-dive, but I wanted to get more perspective on the issue. Presently, I've concluded (1) keep the octo and (2) the BCD is probably unnecessary, but to have it equipped anyway for my first couple river-dives. I've also learned a bunch of other things in the process.

 

[Wibble]

But diving underweighted is a big mistake that I was never warned of.

Isn't that self-evident? Do you really read through the 35 pages of warnings on dive kit instruction manuals? You're supposed to work all this out with independent thought and practice.

Seriously. You should know how much weight you need -- for the avoidance of doubt, you need enough to hold a 1m stop with minimum gas (<50 bar) and where you're removed any removable components (reels, SMB, line-off spools).

In your original description this clearly isn't the case, hence you need at least a couple of kg extra (for your gas).

Are you really a DiveMASTER? That should entail exemplary skills and lots of practice. Will stop there before I'm accused of 'bashing'.

 

[Wibble]

One of us could also just create the topic of "Should DMs be renamed?"

Are they masters of diving with wide ranging skills and experience, or are they glorified shop assistants...

 

[Raphus]

i created a new thread regarding this topic
Qualifications of a DM