How you ID your Deco tanks

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I understand your points, but I believe you have to be self reliant to know from what tank you need to breath from without a buddy.

If one pass to not notice all these visual pointers by your self at 21m then I guess one deserve to die.

Your first barrier is your self the second your buddy.

I think you're missing AJ's point.

While everyone will agree that YOU should be the "primary barrier," your buddy and external verification from him is a great secondary verification. Why? Because task loading leads to perceptual narrowing, and perceptual narrowing leads to doing dumb ****. I've personally witnessed people screw up and try to put oxygen regs in their mouth below MOD because they were task loaded. The one time I saw it, the oxygen reg had one of those "poodle jackets" on it.
 
Don't all entry level tech programs (i.e. where you are only certified to carry 1 deco cylinder) teach to carry that cylinder on the left? If so, I assume that would comprise the biggest group of tech divers, so it would make sense to appear to be "most". Obviously I am not very experienced in tech diving yet, but I have, so far(!), never personally seen anyone carry a slung cylinder on the right (except for a side mount cylinder for primary breathing gas).

What I was referring to was more related to multiple cylinders. Many divers use 'rich-right / lean-left'... i.e. carry 50% left, 100% right.

However, there are agencies/instructors that prefer all stage/deco on theeft side only. The most common reason given is for scootering.

If carrying only a single stage/deco, then it IS usual to swing it on the left. Doing so avoids issues with potentially entrapping the long hose.
 
Because task loading leads to perceptual narrowing, and perceptual narrowing leads to doing dumb ****. I've personally witnessed people screw up and try to put oxygen regs in their mouth below MOD because they were task loaded.

Fully agree.

Less experienced, or less diligently trained, divers generally don't (or can't) comprehend the impact of task loading (and overload) and how this easily causes fundamental errors.

Its not something you can empathise with from a theoretical basis only.

If someone was a tech diver and didn't understand the feeling of being task loaded beyond capacity, then they were ripped off in training.

I frequently see tech students do dumb ***** in class. As a tech instructor it's actually pretty easy to task load a student to meltdown...and you don't need to 'haze' or hassle a student whatsoever to achieve that.

Just yesterday I had a tech student (an experienced diver / instructor) accidentally put his tanks on the wrong side during a staging/retrieving exercise. One step from disaster.

Every student deserves to know the limits of their capacity - this self awareness is essential for effective risk management and progressive future development.
 
I think I comply with properly ID my tank now, or not ?

6 tanks will be my maximum, meaning one 50% on my left and one 80% right and limited to that amount of Deco tanks, if I really need to put 8 tanks or more on me, then I will prefer to go for a re-breather which I don't want to do nor have the money to afford one.

So the position of my tank ID numbers are correct for a buddy to see, or not ?
 
I am just a baby tech diver, currently doing my an/dp, and I am curious about the comments in regards to people being task loaded while doing a gas switch. My question is what are you doing that is task loading you while doing a gas switch? My thought process was that when doing a gas switch nothing else should be going on. If something does have to be done, why not complete the task, then do the gas switch (or reverse that depending on priority)? I am only using 1 deco gas so the chances of myself having an issue is small, but I am curious where this line of thought goes?
 
I am just a baby tech diver, currently doing my an/dp, and I am curious about the comments in regards to people being task loaded while doing a gas switch. My question is what are you doing that is task loading you while doing a gas switch? My thought process was that when doing a gas switch nothing else should be going on. If something does have to be done, why not complete the task, then do the gas switch (or reverse that depending on priority)? I am only using 1 deco gas so the chances of myself having an issue is small, but I am curious where this line of thought goes?
maintaining depth for one. that's enough to task load people, at least in midwater. caves are way easier
 
In addition to the buoyancy...

Keeping a spool/reel that is attached to an SMB / lift bag under control is a second.

Dealing with current, like in the gulf stream, is a third.

Dealing with multiple bottles (50% / 100%) is a fourth.

Looking up deco schedules on wet-notes / computer is a fifth.

The list goes on and on.

And that's without dealing with any problems.
 
I am just a baby tech diver, currently doing my an/dp, and I am curious about the comments in regards to people being task loaded while doing a gas switch. My question is what are you doing that is task loading you while doing a gas switch? My thought process was that when doing a gas switch nothing else should be going on. If something does have to be done, why not complete the task, then do the gas switch (or reverse that depending on priority)? I am only using 1 deco gas so the chances of myself having an issue is small, but I am curious where this line of thought goes?

I understand your point, i had the same question in my head as most of the time it is just easy and nothing go wrong

But you actually have to consider the worse case scenario, that will task load you.

The worse will be current IMO, but add to that a SMB deployment and trying to stay close to your planned exit point, in that moment a free Flow occur, then add to that a buddy out of Gas, during all that you need to keep a look at your DC, and look at your gauges and your Deco plan.

If I were to be an Instructor ( which I would not ), I had my students set up with a regulator that free flows, and without a mask, then when they control the free flow I yank his breathing regulator to simulate a buddy out of gas, at the same time indicating him by knocks when he is loosing buoyancy.

Then other drill will be deploy SMB without a mask and do a complete Deco ascent just by memorizing the Deco table and following the knots in the reel cord.

if you control all that ( after many many attempts ) then you are well prepared and are a will around Tec diver, but unfortunately nobody teach like that to my knowledge.

A instructor will not spend his time to a point that you master this to pass the course, because it will take to much time, and all are on a schedule or you have to have a lot of money to pay for all those training days

Is up to you to find a best buddy and make those drills over and over again until you master it, which I hope one day I have the luck to find a buddy and do all this.
 
maintaining depth for one. that's enough to task load people, at least in midwater. caves are way easier
100% agree...

Most entry-level tech students put themselves under enormous task loading simply because they don't have ingrained fundamentals.

Building on additional skills when the underlying skillset still demands a high level of focus causes a breakdown in capacity.

Consider a 'simple' deco ascent:
1. Maintain accurate ascent the rate of 10m per minute.
2. Maintain team positioning and cohesion.
3. Maintain situational awareness and ability to observe problems and respond instantly.
4. Deaccelerate ascent do as to not overshoot stops.
5. Maintain proper horizontal trim throughout.
6. Maintain stop depth +/- 25cm
7. Signal/communicate effectively with the team throughout.
8. Deploy DSMB during ascent and control reel at proper ascent rate.
9. Gas switch using proper protocol.
10. Conduct accurate deco as planned, coordinated as a team.
11. Deal with unanticipated issues and failures as they arise.
12. Deal with environmental variables such as low visibility, current etc

Less experienced divers tend to consider these challenges individually and assume that; because they can do each thing if permitted to focus solely upon it... then they could do all those things simultaneously. They can't. It takes a lot of practice... far more than the humble few ascents they'd undertake on a tech course/s.

In the first week or two of practice, the average student is going to get themselves into quite a messy state doing 'simple' deco ascents. Many will learn the meltdown that can happen when so many conflicting priorities of action impose themselves simultaneously.

Weak instructors... those who promise to certify students in a short timescale... alleviate that stress for their students... allowing the fundamentals to collapse and not insisting every component is done accurately and in a timely manner. THAT is why there seems to be an increasing number of sub-standard tech divers floating around (pun intended) :)
 
Less experienced divers tend to consider these challenges individually and assume that; because they can do each thing if permitted to focus solely upon it... then they could do all those things simultaneously. They can't. It takes a lot of practice...
Especially when they're doing dives to 180' on air and feel anxious on every decent, as he said he does in another thread a couple of days ago. Anxiety and task loading don't go together well.
In a training situation it's always easier.
 
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