how to dive with non-DIR divers?

[Matthew]

One of the discussions was getting back on the boat with the famous 700 psi rule. I asked, well what is your sac rate? What is your buddy's sac rate? Using the rule of thirds is a good plan because it allows enough gas for you and your buddy to safely return.

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I am going to try and be horizontal all the time and they are going to be vertical. Ascent drills are going to be interesting with that pose. Now, I can see why DIR divers prefer not to dive with non-DIR divers.

For rescue training dives, I believe these are definitely overkill. Expect to be ridiculed if you insist on them in a rescue class.

 

[Tigerman]

One of the discussions was getting back on the boat with the famous 700 psi rule. I asked, well what is your sac rate? What is your buddy's sac rate? Using the rule of thirds is a good plan because it allows enough gas for you and your buddy to safely return.
I got scoffed at, ridiculed, called the master of overkill. These people not only didnt know what their sac was, they didnt even know what the term was. The course instructor talked about mistakes and how, because he is busy worrying about students, he has jumped in without his fins on, once without his weightbelt on, once without turning on his gas...blah, blah. I said, why not do a complete equipment check with your buddy before jumping in? That idea didnt go too well and was thought to be silly. Once again, I got called master of overkill.

Im no DIR diver but, HEEELP!!
Mocking people for makint too MUCH safety precautions??

And.. Not doing equipment checks? Thats not "not DIR" its "not by the book at all"..
If one thing got stressed during my OW class it was to check the gear, both your own and your buddys..

Id call it bad habits/thoughtless divers..

 

[Adobo]

For rescue training dives, I believe these are definitely overkill. Expect to be ridiculed if you insist on them in a rescue class.

Edit: My reading comprehension sucks...

 

[edparris]

For rescue training dives, I believe these are definitely overkill. Expect to be ridiculed if you insist on them in a rescue class.

I'm shocked that OW trained divers don't know their SAC/RMV and think that any instructor of a rescue diver that finds this deficiency in a student should correct it immediately. Do not pass go; do not collect any more c-cards....

Good trim is all about control of yourself in the water. You should be able to pick how you are positioned anywhere in the water column. If you want to stand motionless on your head to take a fantastic photo then do it. If you want to swim along with minimal drag without kicking up silt then be horizontal with your feet up.

More to C-diver's point, the horizontal position also gives you the maximum resistance for vertical changes in the water column and allows you to use your fins to move up or down to control your ascent.

The rescue class is all about how to prevent accidents and help take control of a bad situation. I see no reason why someone should be ridiculed for trying to first work on gaining control of themselves before they try to help a diver in need.

 

[Rainer]

For rescue training dives, I believe these are definitely overkill. Expect to be ridiculed if you insist on them in a rescue class.

And let us welcome another troll to the DIR forum. Very well-substantiated argument. I now CLEARLY understand why CD should be ridiculed. Thank you. Come back again. And often.

 

[Tigerman]

I'm shocked that OW students don't know their SAC/RMV and think that any instructor of a rescue diver that finds this deficiency in a student should correct it immediately. Do not pass go; do not collect any more c-cards....

Come again??
Can you please tell me how I would know my SAC when im a OW STUDENT?
The fact that im an OW student would kinda imply that im NOT YET TRAINED.. Or did i do something wrong when I took my OW class without having done any scuba diving before?

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

I'm sorry d...I understood that GUE taught DIR. I am not in any way attempting to bash DIR/GUE. My inference was to the OP wanting to know how to handle infidels whom they (the DIR inclined) had to dive with. It is that arrogance that everyone else is doing it wrong that instigates my responses. I have seen many DIR type divers and they look great, dive great etc. I have also seen many divers whom have never heard of GUE or DIR that look great, dive cleanly and safely etc. I do not attempt to debase the training just the stigma that everyone else is doing it wrong.

You continue to read things into the thread that are not there ... and with such vehemence that any attempt to explain it to you will only result in further arguments ... which, based on your choice of terms, appears to be why you're involving yourself in the discussion at all.

That's an utter waste of time.

Therefore my advice to you is to dive with whomever you please, and avoid those who offend you ... and don't get your shorts in a bunch when other divers choose to do the same.

Nobody here needs to ... or wants to ... justify their viewpoints in order to coddle your sensitivities. If you want to learn about DIR, this is the forum. If you're just coming in here to pick an argument, then perhaps you should consider a more constructive use of your Internet time. That's not why this forum exists.

If DIR divers are so offensive to you, then why do you bother visiting this forum at all?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[edparris]

Come again??
Can you please tell me how I would know my SAC when im a OW STUDENT?
The fact that im an OW student would kinda imply that im NOT YET TRAINED.. Or did i do something wrong when I took my OW class without having done any scuba diving before?

That was a poor sentence on my part. I've edited my original post to say "OW trained divers". Yes I believe computation of SAC and the application of it should be part of every basic OW curriculum. (It was part of mine.)

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

That was a poor sentence on my part. I've edited my original post to say "OW trained divers". Yes I believe computation of SAC and the application of it should be part of every basic OW curriculum. (It was part of mine.)

Ed, to be fair ... we dived together when you were a pretty new diver, and you had some excellent skills. Based on that, I would have to believe that whomever did your training went well beyond what most people get for OW training ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Tigerman]

That was a poor sentence on my part. I've edited my original post to say "OW trained divers". Yes I believe computation of SAC and the application of it should be part of every basic OW curriculum. (It was part of mine.)

Ok. A simple missunderstanding then, thanks for clarifying