How many log dives is the Rescue Diver open water portion?

[Tortuga68]

...even the guy who just did an iron man was exhausted

I'm not surprised, he should have taken a rest in between

/boomtish

 

[DivemasterDennis]

I think the proper rule to follow in determining what is a dive that should be logged is this: It is a dive that occurs other than in a swimming pool in which you descend beneath the surface at least 15 feet and breathe compressed air for a continuous period of time. The duration is not critical (though my personal rule is 20 minutes or more) as long as there is breathing of compressed air at depth for more than a passing moment. I think the PADI definition quoted above pertains to the open water dives in the Open Water Certification course, but is not a rule for what they consider to be a "logged dive" for purposes of meeting prerequisites to certain courses that require a minimum number of dives.
DivemasterDennis

 

[boulderjohn]

What can be logged as a dive? (Quoted from the PADI Instructor Manual, General Standards and Procedures) Minimum depth is 5 metres/15 feet. During open water dives, have divers spend the majority of time at 5 metres/15 feet or greater, and breathe at least 1400 litres or 50 cubic feet of compressed gas or remains submerged for at least 20 minutes.

This seems to indicate that Rescue Diver Course scenario/practice dives could rarely be logged as dives. However, the following guidelines were always given in the instructor manual:

Those are the overall general recommendations for what the instructor is supposed to do on a dive. That does not refer to what a diver can put in the log book.

Here is the definition of a logged dive (2012 manual, page 16):

Logged Dives
To credit as a logged dive for course requirements, the dive takes
place in open water and specific information about the dive (i.e.
date, time, location, depth, profile, etc.) is recorded. Training
dives for PADI courses (in open water) qualify as logged dives.​

 

[rhwestfall]

personally, I logged my two days of the water exercises as 3 dives.

(1) skills circuit (day 1) - (all the things we practiced & drilled)
(2) recovery (day 1) - (the mock search and revovery)
(3) practical (day 2) - (spent a full day in a scheduled O/W class observing and documenting, dove with them, and also had a few planned "events" take place)

Dive count shouldn't matter. What you learned does......

 

[Searcaigh]

I can't remember how many dives I did without checking my logbook, but there were quite a few as I accompanied the instructor during his teaching sessions with OW students along with two DMs who were frequently victims near the end of each dive thus requiring rescue, along with their usual antics during the SI when they were drowning offshore. All of these dives were shore dives in the Red Sea in Sunny Saudi. Practice makes perfect and I had a very strict instructor. It was very satisfying to complete this course.

 

[nimoh]

Those are the overall general recommendations for what the instructor is supposed to do on a dive. That does not refer to what a diver can put in the log book.

Here is the definition of a logged dive (2012 manual, page 16):

Logged Dives
To credit as a logged dive for course requirements, the dive takes
place in open water and specific information about the dive (i.e.
date, time, location, depth, profile, etc.) is recorded. Training
dives for PADI courses (in open water) qualify as logged dives.​

I think the critical phrase in there is "for course requirements". If you log your pool dives, or very shallow dives, there is nothing wrong with that, but when you go for some certification like Rescue, or DM, those dives just won't count towards the required minimum.

 

[DevonDiver]

Those are the overall general recommendations for what the instructor is supposed to do on a dive. That does not refer to what a diver can put in the log book.

Here is the definition of a logged dive (2012 manual, page 16):

Logged Dives
To credit as a logged dive for course requirements, the dive takes
place in open water and specific information about the dive (i.e.
date, time, location, depth, profile, etc.) is recorded. Training
dives for PADI courses (in open water) qualify as logged dives.​

Yeah, I saw that also. It's a different definition though.... your quote (the only guidance offered in the new 'slim-line' manual) deals with "credit for course requirements". The older quote (from the 2004 manual) deals with 'credit for logged dive prerequisites for further training'.

Understanding that any diver can log anything they want... the only 'formal' purpose for counting/numbering dives is for the purposes of experience prerequisites for training. That isn't covered in the 'new' manual?

Or do we interpret it that PADI have removed any/all formal requirements for dive logging... so I can now run an OW course that consists of 30x 10 minute dives?!?

 

[TMHeimer]

I think the critical phrase in there is "for course requirements". If you log your pool dives, or very shallow dives, there is nothing wrong with that, but when you go for some certification like Rescue, or DM, those dives just won't count towards the required minimum.

Excellent point. Best bet is to just log every dive you do (I wouldn't do pools) just to be safe. For PADI, I believe there is no longer the 20 dive requirement for Rescue.

 

[DevonDiver]

Best bet is to just log every dive you do (I wouldn't do pools) just to be safe.

Best bet is have sufficient experience (logged dives) well in advance of the barest minimums for attendance on a course

 

[nimoh]

Best bet is have sufficient experience (logged dives) well in advance of the barest minimums for attendance on a course

I agree with that, I wasn't aware (as TMHeimer pointed out) that PADI did away with the 20 dive minimum for rescue, and I like that (I don't believe you can take the rescue course too early), but if you are going for divemaster and scrounging through your log book to come up with the required minimum, perhaps it is better just to dive more and put off the divemaster program.