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How many fatal shark attacks to stop you diving

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by Foxfish, Feb 18, 2014.

How many fatal attacks in an area to deter you from diving

Poll closed Mar 20, 2014.
  1. 1 per year

    2 vote(s)
    0.9%
  2. 2 per year

    12 vote(s)
    5.7%
  3. 6 per year. One every second month.

    13 vote(s)
    6.1%
  4. 12 per year. One every month.

    10 vote(s)
    4.7%
  5. 1 every week

    25 vote(s)
    11.8%
  6. I don't care and believe that shark finning or culling is morally wrong.

    89 vote(s)
    42.0%
  7. I find this poll disturbing and hopelessly flawed.

    61 vote(s)
    28.8%
  1. MMM

    MMM Moderator Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Sask. Canada/Cozumel, MX
    11,417
    4,457
    I wonder how how one would know if they were "man-eaters" or maybe just some old vegan "white pointer" that has foresworn eating men as a lifestyle choice?:blinking:

    Do they have little tags or have some secret handshake? Or do they attend MA meetings (Man-eaters Annonymous) where they admit to their habit and try really really hard until someone throws temptation in their way by dumping chum into the water with those men?

    I am pretty sure that while capable of doing so, other individuals in the wildlife kingdom don't get this label affixed to him/her until that individual has actually eaten a man, woman or child. In other words, this sounds like hyperbole.

     
  2. Foxfish

    Foxfish Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Perth, Australia
    717
    118
    Yet if we believe those who claim they don't care how high they risks were they'd dive regardless. Will be interesting to hear Netdoc's response.
     
  3. scubastingray

    scubastingray Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Cleveland/Jacksonville
    696
    186
    I don't think anyone's saying they don't care how high the risks are, I think we're in disagreement about those risks. Yes there are hot spots with low viz where great whites tend to feed, but barring that I don't think anyone assesses the risks as present or the slightest bit noteworthy.
     
  4. PSUSCUBA1313

    PSUSCUBA1313 NAUI Instructor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Pa
    11
    13
    If someone did have an unfortunate shark encounter given your new set of rules (diving with no cage in chummed waters with great whites and cage divers around), I would not blame the shark for testing things in the water to see if they are in fact food. I would blame the person for setting up this scenario. You and I can use our hands to feel things to figure out what they are, sharks have their teeth.
     
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  5. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Boulder, CO
    27,763
    21,449
    First of all, take a look around your office and see if there is anyone there who reads English. Have them go through the things I wrote and explain to you that I never said a single word related to "scuba gear is an invincibility shield." I said sharks have extremely little history of attacking divers, especially divers who are not engaged in some form of hunting and thus competing with them for food. It is apparently because we are down in the water with them rather than up on the surface where their normal food is. It has nothing to do with our gear. Shark attacks on divers are incredibly rare occurrences, which is why we don't fear them.

    Yes, I live in Colorado, but I rarely dive there. If your profile is correct, I have at least 200 more ocean dives than you have total dives--check my profile and see where.

    ---------- Post added March 3rd, 2014 at 07:02 AM ----------

    I wonder if there is any such thing as a "man-eating shark."

    Yes, there are shark attacks on humans, and yes, we see some horrible pictures of the aftermath. But do we have any historical record of a man or woman actually being eaten? If they are man-eating sharks, why are they taking big bites and then going away? It would be like a human setting the table, putting the newly cooked food on it, and then leaving town.
     
  6. PSUSCUBA1313

    PSUSCUBA1313 NAUI Instructor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Pa
    11
    13
    Here's a man eating shark...

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board Staff Member

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Cave Country!
    62,313
    30,882
    Sharks, just wanna have fun:

    [​IMG]

    High Finning a Shark!

    Re-post them if you want me to answer them. I'm not going backwards in this thread for anyone. Like I said, I'm not really trying to convince you... just those reading this thread trying to make a cogent decision.
     
  8. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: On the Fun Side of Trump's Wall
    81,525
    70,781
    Reminds me of an incident between our own Peter Guy and an unnamed wolf eel. Day Island Wall is a very popular dive site for spotting wolf eels. While they generally possess the personality of a golden retriever, they're imposing creatures that can reach a length of about 9 feet. Because they often just sit in their dens and stare out at you, many divers have taken to feeding them ... and their food of choice to lure these creatures out are herring and squid, which they pick up at the local market and bring out in mesh bags. One day we were scootering along the wall when a large, and apparently hungry female took an interest in Peter's hand. Peter at the time was wearing white dry gloves ... and to a hungry wolf eel, white dry gloves looks like five squid. He spent a good part of the dive fending the wolfie off with his scooter. His dive buddies spent that same part of the dive highly amused. Someone who didn't understand the nature of wolfies probably would've been frightened. Thank goodness we don't have any Foxfish in our area, or someone might have started a campaign to remove this "threat" from our local waters ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
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  9. KevWind

    KevWind Regular of the Pub

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location:
    1,002
    537
    Actually the truth is the original purpose of the thread was fairly transparent and has become increasingly so. Which was to use a push poll as a facade to once agin reenforce your attempt to justify "culling" but unfortunately it blew up in your face when the real issue was exposed with the introduction of the two added questions. Your continued references to "community taking steps" also clearly reveal your motives

    • I don't care and believe that shark finning or culling is morally wrong. 75...........42.13%

    • I find this poll disturbing and hopelessly flawed. 47...........26.40%
    The poll only actually shows that 69% understood your (unstated true motivation) or the flawed nature in the way your questions were posed or both.

    Your assertion that "if we believe those who claim they don't care how high they risks were they'd dive regardless", is of course a total contrivance.
    Because that is not what the poll actually indicates . What it actually says is that 42% Don't care about number of fatalities they think finning and culling is morally wrong.

    It says nothing about not caring about the risk, you artificially introduced that contrived conclusion. The fact that many have since said, at some point if the risk was sufficiently high, they would continue to dive but do so in a cage, instead of reenforcing your absurd conclusion of ignoring risk, actually explodes it.


    What you apparently can't accept is, the poll clearly indicates is that........ most are against culling no mater what.
    The rest of the discussion is either BS or secondary to that glowing reality.

     
  10. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest Scuba Legend

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Santa Catalina Island, CA
    22,823
    6,022
    The island I live on has reasonably frequent sightings of great whites. In addition I have seen the bloated carcasses of sea lions that have been hit by a great white or large mako floating in the ocean offshore. Do these observations prevent me from diving here? Generally no. I have frequently dived sites where sightings have occurred. However, there are sites I will usually refrain from diving such as the East End wher the sea lion hauling ground is. That area tends to have low visibility and the presence of many usual menu items for great whites does increase the risk substantially. So, yes... I do weigh the risks.. but there are few places around this island I won't dive.

    The island may be one of the most frequently dived sites in California since many divers come to dive our dive park and a number of boats, both commercial and private, bring people over from the mainland to dive our clearer waters. Given that and the fact there has not been a single fatality out here in at least 60 years says something about the overall "risk."
     
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