How do you setup your primary and secondary regulators/hoses for recreational?

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you do have to be very aware of clipping it off when it is out of your mouth. Running under your shoulder means that it is very easy to lose at the surface if you remove it from your mouth without clipping off.

No doubt. Clip it off, but the simple answer to that is your 2nd is around your neck. So if you were on the surface and took it out of your mouth to talk and accidentally dropped it and for some reason (wave, lost buoyancy) needed gas; switch to your 2nd under your chin, until you arm sweep and locate the primary.
 
Here is your "traditional" recreational setup and is the main reason I loath it. It is FAR easier to simply not pay attention of forget about items attached to you. The guy on the left in both pictures is the "instructor". At least in the "streamlined" setup if the only thing that can dangle (primary) drops out of your mouth, you see it or can easily locate it by simply being in trim.

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Yep. OOG diver comes in from your left side after a 20 ft. swim on half a breath and wants gas NOW! I could see the cluster ensuing.
 
Your primary should either be in your hand, in your mouth or clipped off. Not that I haven't dropped it to the deck by not clipping it off, but don't do that.
 
IMHO, as a beginner, you should rig your gear the way you were trained. After you dive for a bit, look around you and see how others you are diving with rig their gear. Have a conversation with them and see if it makes sense. There is usually a good reason for how to rig your gear given the environment you're diving in and the locals probably know. That's a good place to start. YMMV.
 
IMHO, as a beginner, you should rig your gear the way you were trained. After you dive for a bit, look around you and see how others you are diving with rig their gear. Have a conversation with them and see if it makes sense. There is usually a good reason for how to rig your gear given the environment you're diving in and the locals probably know. That's a good place to start. YMMV.
Why not just break a poor configuration from the start? Why waste money on hoses only to spend more money changing them again in the future?
 
LOL, while I see what you are saying, I fail to see how you are not paying attention to the fact that your primary reg is not in your mouth. Just not gonna happen. If I do go to my backup for whatever reason my primary gets clipped off to my upper right D-ring. But you do not simply lose your primary reg without knowing you lost it. You know I love ya tbone but (pardon the pun) that reasoning just doesn't float.

at the surface, not while diving. While I personally haven't dropped a second stage like that because it is either in my mouth, in my hand, or clipped off, I have witnessed plenty of divers and instructors do it before. Just bringing the point up
 
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Because as a beginner you don't know. That's what the training is for. Plus the op hasn't said where or how he plans to dive. Like so many discussions on SB you get folks diving in diverse situations that call for different procedures yet they all think how they do it is the best. The guy diving the North Sea has a far different outlook than the lady diving in the Caymans. There is more than one way to dive and some for very good reasons. :)
 
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@Diver0001 your inflator hose problem is likely because if you are using an inflator hose for a set of doubles, it will be far too long for single tank diving, typically around 6". With the long hose, you still need to tuck it under something or into something. In single tank diving, I just stuff it into the waist belt and it doesn't have an issue, though I still fail to see how singles vs doubles has any bearing on your long hose routing.....

Well... as I said, the inflator hose is lifted into that position if you turn the regulator in such a way that the longhose is routed straight down the tank.

With dual 1st stages you can route everything the way you want it. With a single first stage you are dependent upon the position of the LP ports. As I said, I had tried several different ideas and that's the best I could come up with using the 1st stage I had.

For me it's not an issue because I don't usually dive with a longhose on a single tank. I was just noting the fact that this problem is something I have seen.

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I really dislike secondary take, since that removes the responsibility every diver has towards their buddy. Secondary donate is AFAIK the method taught by most agencies. Secondary take is always a backup option to secondary donate if the person donating gas isn't as alert as they should be, secondary donate isn't as well suited as a backup since the person donating gas then has to realize that their buddy isn't taking the reg.
I use the long hose primary to donate and the bungeed alternate, but I have tons of experience with the conventional set up system here because I have been required to isntruct with it for about a dozen years.

First of all, one of the largest recreational agencies, SSI, now requires its instructors to teach primary donate.

Next, PADI, which teaches about half the new divers in the world each year, does not favor ANY method. Its wording is very neutral, so it is up to the instructor. I have no idea how it breaks down in the rest of the world, but most of the instructors I have seen or worked with teach secondary take. There is a reason for it, as I will explain.

As for me, I tell students that it does not matter what they are trained to do or what they believe in--when someone goes OOA, that person is going to initiate the action and thereby dictate the method to be used. As the donor, it is better to adapt to whatever that person is doing than to try to force a panicked OOA diver to do it your way. You do not want to get into a fight with such a person. If that person grabs at your primary, open your mouth and take your alternate for yourself. If that person gives the OOA signal and stares at you, donate whichever one you want. If that person reaches for your alternate, get your arm out of the way to clear the path.

So what will happen in real life? A lot of people say the most likely is the person will grab at your primary. That may indeed happen a lot, but that is not my experience. I was only near one OOA emergency, and in that case, the OOA diver did not signal but instead reached for and took her buddy's alternate. I surveyed all 12 of the instructors working in the shop with me, and everyone who had any knowledge of a specific OOA emergency--every single one--said that in the cases they knew of, the OOA diver reached for and took the alternate, with or without signalling first.

Because of the way classes in my area are structured, when you do the OW certification dives, most or all of the students are people with whom you have not worked in the pool. I ask them what they were taught to do, and in about 90% of the cases, they were taught secondary take. When I have students who were taught secondary donate, and they get matched with someone who was taught secondary take, I tell them to decide between themselves which method they will use. In a number of those cases, one of them forgets what they decided, and they both end up reaching for the alternate at the same time. Each time that has happened, without exception, they end up knocking the alternate out of their hands, and there is a great fumbling after it that requires me to step in.

Consequently, while I much prefer to do primary donate with a long hose and bungeed alternates myself, if people are going to use the traditional method, I prefer secondary take. I think there is a good chance that the OOA diver is going for that regulator no matter what, and if the donor tries to go for it at the same time, the results can be bad.
 
Well.... that's not my experience. In the photo I posted I had been fidding with the reg for a couple of days. In order to keep the longhose from floating up over my head I could only find two solutions:
When diving without a canister light, I thread a knife on the right side harness, and the 7-foot hose routes nicely under it.
 

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