I own a dui trilam dry suit. I have been diving with the dry suit and found that it was not that warm. I want to be able to dive in real cold water without trouble. I have a set of long johns underneath and also a fleece suit. It still is not as warm as I expected. My 6.5 mil farmer/jacket seems warmer than my drysuit. Is there any magical layer that anyone knows about for dry suits. I have yet to try argon. Does that make much of a difference? I was thinking about using a radient heat layer like the aluminum fabric, but I think you sweat alot with that. Would that work with a drying agent? I know I have alot of quesitons, so thanks to everybody who helps.