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gr8lakesdiver

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First let me admit my complete ignorance. I consider myself informed aboout scuba. BUT, I the discussions about DIR are foreign. I have searched old threads and fail to get an answer to my uqestion -- WHAT is it really.

Heres what I've pieced together:

Strict equipment configuration - nothing loose, duals,black

Emphasis on bouyancy and trim

It is hard as all get out

Seems to guru type system with advid followers

geared for those into cave and tech diving

This is not any judgement call. I am curious about this DIR thing that seems to be creating an us/ them mentality in scuba

:fight: :
 
gr8lakesdiver once bubbled...
First let me admit my complete ignorance. I consider myself informed aboout scuba. BUT, I the discussions about DIR are foreign. I have searched old threads and fail to get an answer to my uqestion -- WHAT is it really.

Heres what I've pieced together:

Strict equipment configuration - nothing loose, duals,black

Emphasis on bouyancy and trim

It is hard as all get out

Seems to guru type system with advid followers

geared for those into cave and tech diving

This is not any judgement call. I am curious about this DIR thing that seems to be creating an us/ them mentality in scuba

:fight: :

You have it figured out all wrong. DIR can be for everyone. For more information on DIR see my thread titled DIRF Class Report under this forum. I gave an in depth look at what the class is, what it isnt and what it entails. If you have any further questions please feel free to ask ask me.

One other thing... It seems a lot of those that are 'knowledgeable' about DIR have never even taken a single class. Most of their 'knowledge' is what they have put together based on the opinions of others. Before you make up your mind, you might want to consider the sources of your information.
 
gr8lakesdiver once bubbled...
WHAT is it really?

Heres what I've pieced together:

Strict equipment configuration - nothing loose, duals,black

Emphasis on bouyancy and trim

It is hard as all get out

Seems to guru type system with advid followers

geared for those into cave and tech diving

:fight: :

No fight needed.

DIR (or what I prefer to call Hogarthian, and they aren't the same) is a philosophy, not necesarily a gear configuration. DIR is a subset of the Hogarthian style of diving that focuses on the hardware configuration as "standardized" by George & the WKPP dive team. It works most places, is actually more comfortable and easier to use once it's all dialed in, and is dependant on a buddy with a similar rig and mindset to reap the maximum benefits. A DIR "team" will be better equipped and "trained" with a buddy team mindset that increases team safety above that found in most recently trained OW and AOW divers. Many aspects of the Hogarthian system will help even the single tank rec diver. Double cylinders are NOT necessary for a hogarthian rig, and may be in violation of it on many dives.

On the other side there is the "religion" aspects to some of it's more vocal promoters that reminds me of the "Jesus Freaks" we had to deal with in the 70's. That the message comes across as "this is better because it JUST IS!" is an indication that the speaker has a little bit of a clue, but no real understanding, and it's time to talk to someone else if you want any accurate information.

Emphasis on buoyancy and trim comes from those diving in silt filled caves, but all divers should strive to develop those skills. Good buoyancy skills and and trim simply makes ANY diving easier and more fun.

The Hogarthian and DIR systems were originally developed for cave divers by cave divers. That that dicipline heavily flavors it should come as no surprise. OTOH an equipment "oops" in open water with only 60' to the surface will quickly turn in to an "OH S**T!, whe have to back and recover the body" if its 3000 feet to the exit in a silty water filled hole in the rock. A bunch of people died to provide the data that was used in the development of the Hogarthian system. It seems prudent to listen to those ghosts and appply whatever we can of what they learned the hard way to our much easier open water diving. Not all of it applies, but over 80% of the philosophy and over 90% of the gear choices is directly transportable to open water diving.

Perhaps the best suggestion here comes from the Church of Scientology. One of the basic tenants of Scientology is not to believe ANYTHING the church or its members tell you unless you have tried it yourself and have proven that it works FOR YOU! If it works for you, then it's true for you. A belief is harder to use consistantly than knowledge gained by experience proven facts. While Scientology and I have some disagreements, this basic "article of no faith" is not one of them.

FT
 
John thanks for the thread. It does make it a little clearer. I really just knew nothing and was picking up bits and pieces.

I sure I still don't know much, but it did make me wonder about my gear-what is extraneous. And, my skill level may not be what I think it is.

The way you presented it, DIR is about making logical choices for the diving you do and for the safety of you and your buddy.

Thanks again
 
is it true that if you dont have a bacl bladder bc your wrong to me thats unfair not right it should be a personall choice
 
Except you forgot a "-" after "not right".
 
Part of the concept of DIR is having standardized equipment configuration. There is a good reason for this when you consider the type of diving from which DIR evolved from.

A bp/wings set up or a back inflation BC does make a horizontal attitude easier to maintain while underwater. Keep in mind that this needs to be done while motionless for more than just a few seconds. Kind of by default this(bp/wings) becomes the standard BC system for those who adopt the DIR philosophy.

In openwater situations with good visibility this gear configuration is not mandatory but neither should it be disdained.

I once saw a cave diver come to a quarry fully decked out in drysuit, bp/wings doubles, long hose, deco bottle etc etc. Is there anything wrong with this? Absolutely not! He was there to practice his skills so they would be fresh when he made his next cave dive.

As a non cave diver, do I need all that gear to dive at that quarry? Absolutely not! The choice is mine.

Should I develope excellent diving skills? Absolutely!! That is also a part of DIR.
 
detroit diver once bubbled...
Except you forgot a "-" after "not right".
Do you think I erred? Have I misunderstood the true meaning of the post?

I think Medic13 might have his own shorthand way of writing possibly developed while bouncing down the road in the back of a medic unit writing medical incident reports.
 

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